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Something to chew on

Indulge me for a second and consider this scenario: let's say you're given the opportunity to donate some money to a desperate family who would use it to feed their children, but were only able to do so if you donated the same amount of money to someone you knew would use it to buy crack. Would you do it?

10.02.2008 Nubbin 1197 comments
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  • 602. Auburn said:

    Sure, I'd give. No question. I'd give.

    10.03.08 - 07:42 AM
  • 603. Samantha of the Illinois Samantha's said:

    I'd give the money. If for no other reason than hopefully supporting an entire family on the road to recovery. As far as the crack addict goes....there is always the possibilty that THIS is the time they get arrested buying the drugs or they overdose or are robbed buy another addict and they are no longer part of the equation.

    10.03.08 - 07:44 AM
  • 604. Anonymous said:

    Give them a fish and they have one meal. Teach them to fish and they have many meals.

    10.03.08 - 07:44 AM
  • 605. Mari said:

    I'd donate. Why should the hungry family suffer at the expense of the drug abuser?

    10.03.08 - 07:45 AM
  • 606. Max said:

    I would most definitely give the money to both. The money that goes to the family will benefit several people. And while it is not preferable to help a crack addict feed his/her addiction, giving them the money to buy it could prevent them from taking other undesirable measures to buy the crack themselves, such as robbery or prostitution. It is similar to the approach some cities with heroin problems have taken (giving out free, sterile syringes) to keep addicts from sharing needles and spreading deadly diseases.

    10.03.08 - 07:46 AM
  • 607. Jessie said:

    In a heart beat! I know "crack is whack", but if something good is coming out of it, it's worth it.

    10.03.08 - 07:48 AM
  • 608. Anonymous said:

    Yes, I would.

    The crack addict will find a way to buy crack anyway -- because no one is more single-minded than an addict -- so you might as well give the starving family the money.

    A thing is hardly ever all good or all bad, anyway....

    10.03.08 - 07:48 AM
  • 609. Jacqui said:

    No, I wouldn't... I would find another way to support the family in need instead of donating money. You can't willfully assist to destroy one life while helping another. People often donate due to selfishness... it makes them feel good about themselves to donate, and that's why they do it... they seldom think of the result of the donation. This is a clear example of how just donating money is not the most beneficial way of supporting those in need.

    People need to learn that giving of themselves is the true charity, not giving money. Give your time to help the family in need find jobs, give your time to buy them groceries and make them dinners, give of YOU, not your pocketbook. That's charity.

    10.03.08 - 07:49 AM
  • 610. Kerry said:

    If I knew where the family was, I'd bring the food directly to them... no cash, no donations, no freaking rules on helping someone out... is the program run by the government?

    10.03.08 - 07:50 AM
  • 611. Leslie said:

    #10 said A crackhead only hurts themselves.

    That is simply not true. Coming from someone who has been hurt by a "crackhead" before, I can assure you that is VERY far from the truth.

    That said, I would NEVER give money with a precondition that part of it would have to go to drugs. I would only be perpetuating the problem and would be allowing myself to be bullied into putting my hard earned money towards something that goes against everything I believe in. So, no, regardless of the situation, my paycheck will never be willingly handed over to a crackhead.

    10.03.08 - 07:51 AM
  • 612. angie said:

    No. I could not willingly give money to a crackhead.

    10.03.08 - 07:52 AM
  • 613. Mother Earth said:

    I'd buy actual groceries or make meals for them

    10.03.08 - 07:52 AM
  • 614. Mariellen said:

    Everyone should have enough to eat, educate themselves, and stay healthy. No ifs ands or buts.

    10.03.08 - 07:53 AM
  • 615. karen said:

    definite yes.

    i would separate the act of giving from the act of attempting to manage what the person does with my gift.

    10.03.08 - 07:56 AM
  • 616. minxlj said:

    Yes - without a second thought. And also get the crack addict some help. There's a reason humans can feel compassion, and that's so we can help others. I will always endeavour to - and hopefully there are enough of us to win over the ones who don't feel it...

    10.03.08 - 07:56 AM
  • 617. Erin said:

    Yes. Hungry Kid trumps Crack Whore every time. Who would look at a kid and say "I know you're hungry, but I'm not going to help you because helping you means helping someone who doesn't deserve it and they matter more to me than you do"?

    10.03.08 - 07:56 AM
  • 618. Traci said:

    I see alot of people saying "no, but I would make the family dinner" or "no, but I would teach the family how to make money to buy their own dinner", because they don't want any of their money to go to people that they have judged to be BAD. Are you all doing that now? There are plenty of programs out there, starving for volunteers. Find one and walk the walk, instead of just talking the talk.

    10.03.08 - 07:56 AM
  • 619. Tanya said:

    I would give the money.

    10.03.08 - 07:57 AM
  • 620. JS said:

    Yes. You may not be able to help the addict, but you can help the family.

    10.03.08 - 07:57 AM
  • 621. smarticus said:

    of course i would give the money. both acts of charity would temporarily alleviate suffering. i would, however, be more concerned about longer-term solutions to both problems.

    10.03.08 - 07:58 AM
  • 622. Tim said:

    I believe there is something inherent in giving that we cannot tell the recipient what to do with the gift. Otherwise it's more like a grant or a loan with a really lax repayment plan.

    10.03.08 - 07:58 AM
  • 623. Tess said:

    No, because as you are helping one family, you are distroying another so one wipes out the other.

    10.03.08 - 08:00 AM
  • 624. maria said:

    Yes.

    10.03.08 - 08:00 AM
  • 625. Tonya said:

    I'd just give the money. I believe I frequently contribute to crack habits by giving bits of money to pan-handlers. At least they aren't robbing me.

    10.03.08 - 08:02 AM
  • 626. tammy said:

    No! Feeding the family is no doubt commendable and would make me feel good and help a family but drugs do real harm to the individual who does them and the people around them and I couldn't be responsible for harming someone.

    10.03.08 - 08:03 AM
  • 627. fe-lady said:

    I don't believe any family in the U.S. is "poor" enough they can't afford food.

    They need to sell their flat screen T.V., cute their cell phone and internet access and get off cigarettes. Or crack.

    I have seen it too many times in the school system where the family cries "poor" and is recipient of Thanksgiving turkeys and free clothing, but they have new cars and go to Disneyland every year.

    So NO to everything.

    10.03.08 - 08:04 AM
  • 628. Anonymous said:

    Of course. Who am I to judge what people do with the money I give them?

    10.03.08 - 08:05 AM
  • 629. Rachey-Rach said:

    yes...very simple

    10.03.08 - 08:05 AM
  • 630. Randi said:

    yes w/out a second thought! that person who will buy crack will somehow get a hold of it with or w/out my help anyhow.

    10.03.08 - 08:06 AM
  • 631. Kelsey said:

    I need more information. The way this is written makes it seem as though there is no way around a donation to A without also donating to B.

    Unless you mean to imply that by donating to A you can guarantee that a fraction of A will use the money to buy crack. If that is the case, then I would find a way around providing A with cash in hand. Are you able to donate actual food to the family who needs it? Better yet, what about gift cards to the grocery store they use?

    But, if it is indeed a donation to two sources who will use the money for two different purposes, I would still give the money. I think feeding children is worth the risk of feeding an addict.

    10.03.08 - 08:06 AM
  • 632. Jen said:

    Yes I'm a former addict.
    There is life after crack. A good healthy life. The crack people aren't as necessarily as damaged as you think. The can and will recover, or they will die. Either way, I would not punish the people who can't feed the children. Feed the children.

    10.03.08 - 08:08 AM
  • 633. Anonymous said:

    I would donate food instead of money.

    10.03.08 - 08:09 AM
  • 634. Anonymous said:

    No, I wouldn't. I would hope and pray that somehow that family would find another source of food. In all likelihood, they would find it. I would not want to give money to someone who would use it for crack. It is likely they would get it from someone else, but I would not contribute to the demise of that person.

    10.03.08 - 08:09 AM
  • 635. PB Rippey/sleepless mama said:

    Only if the crackhead family then goes on Oprah via Lisa Ling, bares their life and debilitating habit, endures being chewed out and humiliated by a young psychiatrist with Ivy League degrees and the general public, and ultimately agrees to treatment paid for by Madame.

    10.03.08 - 08:10 AM
  • 636. Janie said:

    Of course, yes. We must fund those who take advantage in order to help those who don’t.

    This is obviously about taxes and I believe taxes ARE a necessary evil. This isn’t and shouldn’t be a country of every man for himself. It’s just not. I wouldn’t want to live in that country. Good or bad…and I know we haven’t gotten it perfect yet and may never do so…I would rather live in a country that values humanity. Most often, humanity costs money. In Massachusetts next month we are voting on whether or not to abolish state income tax. I will be voting no, we shouldn’t.

    As a child, I grew up in the welfare system and again, good or bad, I respect it as a human necessity that must be available for those who need it. So yes, we must fund those who take advantage in order to help those who don’t. And Jennifer #297 – it still costs money to educate people. Tax money.

    10.03.08 - 08:10 AM
  • 637. Miranda said:

    Agree with #9.

    Not to mention, I couldn't afford to just "donate". What about my own family that needs to be fed? While it would be nice to be able to help another family in need out, I would have to worry about myself first.

    10.03.08 - 08:10 AM
  • 638. Sheana said:

    Eep, I hope you don't actually have to make a decision like this.

    That said, having been one of those kids whose family was living in poverty, homeless, and not sure where to get the next meal... yeah, I'd give the money to both. I say this having had a mother who heavily abused drugs - an addict will *find* a way to get their fix, but the people who actually need the money, who could use it to pay for food or shelter or whatever - they might not.

    10.03.08 - 08:10 AM
  • 639. Anonymous said:

    yes. the family is fed and the crackhead doesn't have to pimp his or herself out or steal from other honest families to get their crack. it sucks but there it is. as long as those kids are fed...i'd do whatever i could.

    10.03.08 - 08:12 AM
  • 640. Becky said:

    I would do it, if I had the money.

    I know there are easy parrallels to be drawn to taxes and stuff, but I would be really interested in hearing what Dooce was actually asking about. We can assume, but you know what happens then. ;-)

    But, since there are already 600+ comments on this post, the likelyhood she'll read mine is pretty slim, so who knows if she'll get back to us on the basis of the question.

    10.03.08 - 08:12 AM
  • 641. Aron said:

    No. It would perpetuate a cycle in both situations. I'd ask my church to feed the family.

    10.03.08 - 08:13 AM
  • 642. Wendee said:

    Yes

    10.03.08 - 08:16 AM
  • 643. Erin said:

    Yes, I would do it for the family that really needed it.

    10.03.08 - 08:17 AM
  • 644. Katarrrr said:

    If the family is just going to use the money to buy food with it, then I would go around the system and donate food to the needy family. That way no money exchanges hands and the crackhead doesn't get his crack.

    10.03.08 - 08:17 AM
  • 645. grace h said:

    The problem i have is that you CAN'T know if the money is going to food for the children at all. My work brings me into the realm of families like this, and it's heartbreaking to watch the parents consume all of the handouts to feed their addictions, and the kids STILL come to school hungry and with nothing.

    10.03.08 - 08:17 AM
  • 646. Andrea said:

    Yes. In a heartbeat. Yes.

    10.03.08 - 08:18 AM
  • 647. LJ said:

    I would give the money to the needy family.. then the money to the crackhead.. then whack the crackhead on the head..and take back the drug money. Easy Peasy.

    10.03.08 - 08:18 AM
  • 648. Krista said:

    Yes, I would give money to feed the family, a crackhead will always find the money anyway right?

    10.03.08 - 08:20 AM
  • 649. Nadine said:

    I would cook the family a meal and bring it to them and
    stock their pantry with basics.
    As for the crackhead who cares.

    10.03.08 - 08:21 AM
  • 650. Erin said:

    On second thought, I think you should pitch this to the House . . .

    10.03.08 - 08:23 AM
  • 651. nonsoccermom said:

    Wow, that is a hard question to answer. I think that yes, I would donate the money. I can't bear the thought of children going hungry...

    10.03.08 - 08:25 AM
  • 652. Amanda said:

    Yes I would. I would be more concerned about the hungry family.
    Screw the crackhead... If they want to buy crack, be my guest.

    10.03.08 - 08:25 AM
  • 653. Anonymous said:

    Yes. Nice to know that the vast majority are good people. A little restoring of my faith in humanity.

    10.03.08 - 08:25 AM
  • 654. Heather said:

    Absolutely. The negative of the drug use by an individual does not negate the postitive affect of food for a hungry family. And then I would take strides to ensure this family not only has the food they need but gains the skills they can use to earn money for all of their needs. Actually, this isn't hypothetical take the drug user out of the picture and I have done exactly this many times through my church donations (and yes I am one of those cruel, heartless conservatives)

    10.03.08 - 08:25 AM
  • 655. Christine said:

    Nope - no way, I wouldn't.

    I would donate food to the family who needed food, and give the crackhead nothing. I rarely donate money because I think bureaucracy in the "charity industry" misuses it. I'll donate my time and my working hands. I'll donate goods and food. But, I will not give cash away. I used to work for a non-profit, and I think what goes on behind the scenes in most charitable organizations is deplorable.

    10.03.08 - 08:26 AM
  • 656. April said:

    I wouldn't give the money. Instead I would invite the family to eat at my house and share my meals. I don't think that handouts really help anyone. While they are there I would help them find a way to earn money. In the case of the crack head with out the money, they may go with out or they choose to break the law to get their drugs. I would then hope that there is a cop doing their job that our tax dollars pay for they the crack head gets what they deserve and get caught and either go to jail or rehab.

    10.03.08 - 08:27 AM
  • 657. steph said:

    it makes me sad how many people depend on god to straighten things out. as in the hungry will be fed if i just pray hard enough.

    i'm sure they are praying you'll go ahead and help, rather than assuming some higher power will relieve them and you can continue guilt-free.

    10.03.08 - 08:28 AM
  • 658. Beckybug said:

    If your 'opportunity to donate' means you have to borrow the money, it's no longer a donation. It turns into a liability for both (or all three) sides which is mostly definitely the opposite of a donation.

    For example, my mother said she would take out a loan to help me afford to live in a place of my own as an alternative to having two guy craigslist roommates (who are obviously undiscovered murderers and rapists through my mom's eyes.) Who is to say that when I have a nice place and am living by myself, I'm less likely to be taken advantage of? There is no way I would take her up on that offer, given I'm on my own and have been for years. I'm competent and have the capacity to deal with the 'hardship' and must live this life as it unfolds.

    Throwing money at a problem (whether you have the funds or not) never fixes the real problem. I kept trying for a while, but it never worked out. When money, or food, or alcohol, or crack, or any addiction seems like it's the only option and the only answer, then it's of the utmost importance to look through it to the deeper problems and address those instead. If you're in a situation to give, go ahead and give what you have, but money only goes so far. Information and initiative, however, have the power to change this world.

    That hungry family probably has more problems than just an empty pantry. Fortunately, you have the abilities to help solve those problems more than does your Benjamin Franklin. It's about time to pony up.

    10.03.08 - 08:28 AM
  • 659. deborah said:

    Absolutely not. I'd give the money to a charity that would provide food to the family and let the crack head get their fix elsewhere. Addictions drive destructive behavior.

    10.03.08 - 08:29 AM
  • 660. i.e. said:

    Most likely no.

    I would find a way to go around the ridiculous requirement of paying the crackhead. It is my money and I can do with it what I choose. I choose to not help the crackhead buy drugs. In one example of circumvention, I could leave a bag of groceries on the front porch for the family. Hey, if the crackhead wants a bag of groceries then I can leave one for the crackhead too. But not money. I do not trust others abilities to manage their money. And if it is for people that I do not know and there is ridiculous red tape tied to it, I would not involve myself in the mess. I am selfish like that. I know my shortcomings.

    Also, if I felt that the parents were mismanaging their money, I would rather take just the kids out to eat and let the adults suffer for their stupid actions. That is just a side note. Let people learn from stupid mistakes, children are another matter though, many times they are in situations that they can not control and have no way of getting out of.

    I may not be able to control how others manage their money, time or talents...but I can make sure that I don't offer them a crutch that allows them to hobble along longer when they should be learning to manage their money, time or talents differently.

    10.03.08 - 08:29 AM
  • 661. Lyndsey said:

    Yes, I would.

    10.03.08 - 08:30 AM
  • 662. Anonymous said:

    297 - Jennifer. Nailed it. Teach them all a skill and enable them to start earning their own money. THAT is "teaching them to fish", not buying groceries, which is a temporary fix.

    10.03.08 - 08:31 AM
  • 663. MB said:

    Yes. The crackerjack is only hurting himself, presumably. However, if the crack purchaser was going to then turn around and sell it to 5th graders, my answer would be different.

    10.03.08 - 08:32 AM
  • 664. Tom said:

    I would give the money. The drug addict is going to get their hands on the crack whether I give the money or not. If I don't give the money, a family goes hungry, but the addict still gets their crack somewhere.

    10.03.08 - 08:32 AM
  • 665. Petunia said:

    I'd give them both GROCERIES. It would help the family that needs that assistance. Would probably be tossed by the other side. Oh, well, I'd have made a positive difference for one family, and not aided the addiction.

    10.03.08 - 08:32 AM
  • 666. Deb said:

    Once you give a gift, it is no longer yours, it is their's to do what they wish with it. So yes, I would give the money.

    I frequently saw a homeless women pushing her cart while driving to work. Living in the northeast and it being winter it was damn cold out (minus 0 degrees). I stopped and bought mittens and a hat and kept them in the car until I saw her again. I called out to her, she came over, I gave her the hat/mittens and she threw them in the cart! Not exactly what I expected, but they were no longer mine. And I'd do it again.

    10.03.08 - 08:34 AM
  • 667. Anonymous said:

    I say yes, but then I look at my actions. I've seen lots of homeless folks begging in the past and walked right by, assuming they'll misuse the $$. If I say I'll help both the addict & the family equally, shouldn't I be giving $$ to each homeless person I see? Cause they all may have children or be addicts...or both.

    Now reconsidering my "look away from beggars" approach to navigating a busy street....

    10.03.08 - 08:35 AM
  • 668. Sarah S said:

    No. No. No.
    We could find a way to feed the family without feeding the habit.

    10.03.08 - 08:35 AM
  • 669. Haley said:

    Yep give the money because the poor children need to eat and the dumb crackhead will find their crack someway somehow and continue to ruin their own lives, if you give them the money maybe they won't try and steal, break in to someones home, etcetera, etcetera. Sucks but its not the kids fault that their parents can't take care of them and its not their fault that the crackhead has no fucking brain! ;-)

    10.03.08 - 08:35 AM
  • 670. Linda said:

    Nice try H. Apple to oranges.

    In this black and white scenario:

    NO. I'd tell them to both get a job.

    They live in the land of opportunity, not a socialistic country.

    10.03.08 - 08:35 AM
  • 671. Callie said:

    Absolutely. I couldn’t punish some hungry kids for someone else’s crack addiction.

    10.03.08 - 08:37 AM
  • 672. Jessica said:

    I would be pissed off if it came as a package deal like that. But I would do it. And then afterward I would find some way to try to deal with the crackhead. Report them? Something. But making that needy innocent family suffer because of the mistakes that someone else made is not acceptable to me. And is my giving of money (or not) to the crackhead going to make any difference in whether they do crack or not? No. They will find a way whether I give them the money or not.

    I just read someone else's comment about just buying both families groceries. That is a better plan.

    10.03.08 - 08:38 AM
  • 673. Garnigal said:

    Donate. It is not my responsiblity to decide if the much needed mony is used for food and shelter or for drugs.

    10.03.08 - 08:38 AM
  • 674. Tristian said:

    Yes.

    10.03.08 - 08:39 AM
  • 675. Anonymous said:

    Honestly?
    That's the dilemma I feel we are in regarding that whole "bail-out the financial sector" deal!

    10.03.08 - 08:40 AM
  • 676. Ames said:

    No, I wouldn't give the money. What would be wrong with keeping the money THAT I WORKED HARD FOR and inviting the poor family over for a good home-cooked meal? In your scenario, for every family I help, I also help destroy one. Sounds like a very flawed system. Just my two cents.

    10.03.08 - 08:40 AM
  • 677. Jennsa said:

    Yes, I would. I absolutely do appreciate the principle of 'give a man a fish, he will eat for a day but teach a man to fish, he will eat for a lifetime'. A one-time handout will not solve the problem for the long term which is why it is important to advocate for services to help people increase their employable skills, and other social support networks that need to be in place. However, the need for these programs does not mitigate the immediate need of a family to eat. Even if an individual is involved in such a program, the pay off to them may be months down the road--until they find a job, return to school for more skills, etc. I would give them the money, without question.

    For the person who uses crack--I would give them the money as well. I work in a field that endorses the principles of harm reduction--we give people clean gear, including needles to shoot up with. Recognizing that this person is going to shoot up one way or the other, I would FAR rather they do it with clean gear, not share needles and to provide them with a safe place where they can return their used needles so they can be safely disposed of and not left in alley ways, dumpsters, and public parks AS WELL AS mitigate their risk of contracting HIV or Hepatitis C.

    In the same way, I would give the person the money to buy crack because on some level I'm seeing this as a form of harm reduction--if they've got their money for the next fix they don't have ot go find it. They don't have to commit petty theft for cash, they don't have to turn tricks for cash. Hell, I might even throw in a clean crack pipe so they can avoid sharing pipes with other folks which puts them at an increased risk of Hepatitis C transmission due to cracked or burned lips.

    Consider for a moment the life of what most people would consider a bum--the guy who's constantly drunk in public, passing out on park benches, getting himself thrown out of stores. If only this guy had someplace safe to keep his booze--and some way of knowing when he'd be able to have his next drink he'd be much less likely to be drunk in public in the first place. There is research being done in Canada with a group of individuals who are considered to be chronic, refractory alcoholics. These are folks who have been in and out of detox centres, in and out of rehab programs all throughout their lives who are still 100% wrapped up in the cycle of addiction. House them. And provide them with regular 'dosing' of alcohol and they are suddenly able to gain some stability in their lives. They aren't buying a bottle and drinking the whole damn thing on the streets anymore--they don't have to worry about someone stealing their bottle if they fall asleep anymore, which means their stash is safe. It can be kept for later. They are less likely to drink until being drunk and more likely to drink only to a level that wards off withdrawal symptoms. They stabilize, they start looking for work, they look at school, they contribute to their community....

    On the surface it sounds like a crazy idea, but by creating an environment that addressed some of the key concerns that a 'bum' has -- safe place to sleep, knowing where his next drink is coming from, not drinking too much alcohol in an attempt to prevent his stash from getting stolen--stability is able to manifest and the person is able to begin working towards some semblance of a 'normal' life.

    10.03.08 - 08:41 AM
  • 678. Cormelia said:

    I don't even see how this would be an issue for anyone. Give the money without a second thought.

    10.03.08 - 08:41 AM
  • 679. Melissa Kairuz said:

    Yes. Why should the other family suffer just because some jackass in the world wants to ruin his/her own life?

    10.03.08 - 08:42 AM
  • 680. Angela said:

    No way. We need to be good stewards of our money and donating to a crack head and family is a very short term solution to a long term problem. Donate your time and resources to real solutions, like the non-profit rehab, your local hospital foundation, the non-profit job corps, your local women's shelter. If anything - invite the family AND the crack-addict over for dinner and make something good. Don't just throw money at them and say "ok, i did my deed." Now, if you're talking about taxes, that's another story...would we have a choice after legislation is passed?

    BTW - I'm a walk the walk person, I volunteer at a local hospice (you'd be surprised the # of people who don't want to deal with dying citizens) and I donate to specific causes. I also work at an organization that has a large number of non-profits as clients and let me tell you that the people at the Alzheimers Association and the Autism Society care a lot more about Alzheimer care/research and Autism care/research than some thrown together gov't program.

    10.03.08 - 08:42 AM
  • 681. KC Mo said:

    The basic problem with this question/issue is the amount of money each would receive. A family living in poverty may be eligible for welfare based on their two children while the crack head, in my experience, will usually have many many more kids to base her needs upon.

    10.03.08 - 08:45 AM
  • 682. Susan said:

    I'd buy groceries for the family. It's the same mentality I use when helping someone begging on the street - offer to buy them a meal instead of throwing them some money. Maybe it's because I'm a control freak, but I want to know that I've actually done some good rather than contributed to someone's downward spiral.

    10.03.08 - 08:45 AM
  • 683. Jamiedb said:

    Yes. Absolutely. 100%. That crack addict will do whatever he/she can to get the drugs, regardless of whether or not they have my money.

    10.03.08 - 08:45 AM
  • 684. jane said:

    That's true #264. Anonymous. Some will, some won't. Some people would beg, borrow or steal to feed their children, some won't. But they shouldn't have to make that choice and I want to live in a country that will help them not have to do so.

    My mother raised us alone when our father disappeared and this was 30 years ago when programs weren't as developed as they are now. She hocked her jewelry for groceries, clothing, whatever she could sell. Welfare didn't cover extras so occasionally she shoplifted small Christmas gifts for us. She did what she had to because she loved her children as much as anyone else with money did and it wasn't their fault she didn't have any. As soon as the youngest of them went to school, she got whatever work she could find. THESE are the people that need to be helped with tax dollars and if some crackholes benefit sometimes, so be it.

    ***264. Anonymous said:
    why is it that we KNOW the crack head will find the crack anyway but we don't assume the same of the hungry family?
    10.02.08 - 08:56 PM ***

    10.03.08 - 08:47 AM
  • 685. Miz Booshay said:

    I would work for a different charity.

    I would cook and serve food at a local free meal kitchen.
    (which I do)

    10.03.08 - 08:47 AM
  • 686. Sally said:

    Crack dealers have hungry families as well.

    10.03.08 - 08:48 AM
  • 687. Lauren said:

    For those of you spouting the 'teach a man to fish' nonsense - has it ever occurred to you that not everyone who might be in this situation is because they don't know/aren't smart enough/couldn't? Bad things happen to good people, and while some need you high, smart, mighty, rich people to teach them not all of them do. Some just need a litle help until they can find that job.

    Many seem to just want to go to their house and cook for them or invite them over to feed them. Go where? Walk around the streets yelling "Poor hungry people, I want to help you!" We need some kind of infrastructure so these kinds of people know where to go and how to get help! I agree parts of our welfare system are broken, but not everyone on welfare is taking advantage of it, and we as human beings shouldn't be willing to let our fellow citizens fall through the cracks.

    So yes, I would donate.

    10.03.08 - 08:48 AM
  • 688. Valerie said:

    Yes. I'd rather feed the kids that need food. The person who wants crack will get crack either way and possibly by doing something illegal and/or harmful in the process. In this way, they are getting the crack they'd get anyway, but without hurting anyone and the family in needs gets what they need to survive.

    10.03.08 - 08:49 AM
  • 689. Anonymous said:

    I would like to hear your answer and then I pose the question:

    What if you made the donation and the crack addict, because he was on crack, decided to do something stupid and killed the starving family? And you funded problem...

    Hmmmmm... there is too much to consider here and too many circumstances.

    An out of the box question like this can be answered simply, by me as YES, IN A PERFECT WORLD. But let's face it, this is not a perfect world. Let's think outside of the box on this one. If I had to donate like for like, I would just donate the amount worth of food, and in turn, the crack addict would get the same. Solves the issue. Maybe more people need to focus on a BETTER solution.

    10.03.08 - 08:49 AM
  • 690. Jessica said:

    And to #326 ... we are not morons. I think we all understand that Heather may be looking at a larger issue with this question. And yet, we think it is an interesting point of debate. I doubt that a single person who is participating in the discussion does not see how these principles could be expanded to other (political and/or social) issues. Do not insult us. We are participating in this conversation of our own free will, interested to see where Heather goes with this, and interested in using our own brains to extrapolate this idea to other issues in the world today. Why is it necessary to be a jackass? Do you think you are the only person in the world with a brain? You don't have to like Heather's political beliefs, or like to read about anyone's political agenda. So don't. But many of us are interested.

    10.03.08 - 08:50 AM
  • 691. Anonymous said:

    Of course...isn't that the gamble you make whenever you donate money? You have be an optimist when giving money and hope for the best. I think 50% odds on it going to the right reason are better than 0%. I'm also a school teacher and have to believe in that crap or what's the point!

    10.03.08 - 08:51 AM
  • 692. Anonymous said:

    What a dumb question! And what dumb answers! No wonder the U.S. is in such a fix.

    10.03.08 - 08:51 AM
  • 693. Dork du Soleil said:

    Everytime a homeless person asks me for money for food, I tell them that I won't give them money, but I will buy them a meal. Most of the time the person isn't interested in the meal and walks away when I don't give up the cash. I prefer donating to food banks rather than giving cash.

    10.03.08 - 08:52 AM
  • 694. Jane said:

    I love your answer Sarah. I agree completely and feel hopeful to see that there are many who do feel like you and I.

    ***561. Sarah said:

    It would be very interesting to also know the political affiliation of each poster. I was guessing those who said no would be republicans, then I noticed in post 300 that is indeed the case at least for one.
    I would give the money. Now let me pose something else. If you were going to give a family $100.00 knowing that only $25 of it was actually going to buy food for the hungry children and the rest was going to spent on something else (maybe drugs, maybe alcohol, maybe something frivolous). Would you still give? My answer is yes because that is $40 worth of food those children did not have before.
    There are many more scenarios to consider. If you gave a family $100 knowing they are going to spend it eating at Fast Food places instead of making those dollars stretch at the grocery store, would you still give? I would hope so.
    I do understand teaching them a job so they can earn money. If I had to guess the folks saying that have never been hungry or feared not being able to feed a child the next day (I have). Teach them the job, it will take awhile for money to start coming in. In the mean time, feed the child who has no choice in this situation.
    These attitudes are what is wrong with our country today, in my opinion.

    10.03.08 - 08:53 AM
  • 695. Amanda said:

    I'd donate money, and try to help them learn how to earn some money for the future. No question. Not a difficult decision.

    It's not the fault of the hungry family that someone else is addicted to a dangerous drug.

    Why punish the hungry because of a crack head?

    10.03.08 - 08:55 AM
  • 696. Karen said:

    I would absolutely do it. A family in need shouldn't suffer because someone else is making bad choices. There's already enough of that in our society.

    10.03.08 - 08:55 AM
  • 697. Hunter said:

    If you donate the money, many people benefit and one suffers. If you don't donate the money, many people suffer and one benefits.

    10.03.08 - 08:56 AM
  • 698. katie said:

    I don't know the solution to the bigger problem, but I am more than a little disturbed by everyone's coments about the person who would be buying the crack. So many, "screw the crackhead", "who cares about the crackhead", "let them mess up their own life". What if it was one in the same? What if that "crackhead" was a young mother to four who was abused as a child and got involved with the wrong people and life has spiraled out of control? As for drug screening before handing out welfare, how much money would that cost? And then what if they came up positive? Would you push them aside, not help their family? Or are you suggesting their children be taken away and put into an already overwhelmed system? Again, I don't know what the solution is and I haven't got enough tim to explore this further here. But read these comments, I see the empathy for the family in need of food, but why are we all so quick to condemn the drug addict.
    Also, I want to say, that years ago I worked at a detox facility for homeless women with children (in Utah Heather!) and these women were good women. Women who cared for their children. Women who needed help from strangers.
    Oh, I wish I could write more, but off to my own babes..

    10.03.08 - 08:57 AM
  • 699. Betsy said:

    And I love the suggestion of buying the food instead of giving cash. Eliminates the dilemma.

    10.03.08 - 08:57 AM
  • 700. Katherine said:

    So I've been thinking about this for awhile. My best friend's brother was a heroin addict. After watching her family deal with that, I couldn't imagine doing *anything* to support a similar habit. What is that one hit they bought with your money led to their death? What if they hurt somebody while high off that hit? Should I even worry about these things?

    On the other hand, hunger is inexcusable and if I could help, I would be heartless not to. Completely heartless. And if that were me or my family, I know I'd want somebody to help.

    Then I started thinking about something I read once. It was some maxim about how the most honest form of philanthropy/caring for your fellow humankind is to give totally anonymously, without knowing what the money will be used for. The idea is simply giving because to share wealth is the right thing to do.

    So should the government make me share that wealth or decide how to spend it? Or should that be up to the individual? Isn't the decision to give, the willingness to give, central to the very concept? If that's taken away, what's the point?

    I guess the long and short is you are making me think and I appreciate that.

    10.03.08 - 08:58 AM
  • 701. deannagabriel said:

    while id like to say i have a clean yes or no to this answer, i dont. neither truly need MONEY. the family needs FOOD and the addict needs HELP. id rather give them each what they NEED. cliche as it is, i really truly believe in the saying... "give a man a fish, feed him for a day. teach a man to fish, feed him for a lifetime."

    10.03.08 - 08:58 AM
  • 702. Relentless Olive said:

    Feeding the hungry is one of the most important tasks we human beings face.

    Enabling crack addicts is completely unacceptable.

    The answer here is ingenuity. Find another way to feed the child.

    There is ALWAYS another way to do the right thing.

    For more ways to feed hungry children, visit my blog--specifically the posts this week about charity focus groups and the hurricane devastation in Haiti. I'm pretty sure none of the groups that I mention are buying crack.

    10.03.08 - 08:58 AM
  • 703. Anonymous said:

    What if you give the money to the desperate hungry family AND get them in with the cracklords (for a return on investment and 50% share of the profits.) So the family uses your money to invest in inventory of the product. They turn around and sell their crack to the crackhead who pays with your initial 'donation.' With your share of the family's profits you could 'donate' a portion of it to more crackheads (or the same one, but I hear they kinda die off quickly.) This would get you your money back AND enable a sustainable income for the family, yourself, and crackheads. This plan has the additional guilt-relieving benefit of providing the crackheads with their fix without killing anyone; and food on the family's table while making you rich. everyone wins.

    10.03.08 - 08:59 AM
  • 704. Elena said:

    Yes, I would give them the money.

    10.03.08 - 09:01 AM
  • 705. Suzy said:

    Not taking the bait, Heather. We get it... You're a bleeding heart liberal who bleeds like a stuck pig. Please spare me. Some of us will never ever share your viewpoints and attempting to lead us to drink from your vast trough of liberal knowledge is pointless. It will only serve to drive away, those of us who disagree with you.

    Yep. Sadly, these are the seeds you've planted.

    10.03.08 - 09:01 AM
  • 706. Anonymous said:

    So I pose this question to everyone as well:

    Let's look at this from a different angle- What if you were that family that received that monetary donation and you knew that the person providing this assistance also funded a crack addict who maybe lived next door and the chances were high that he would turn around and harm his family, himself, or the general public, maybe even your family? Would you accept or find another means to feed your family?

    10.03.08 - 09:04 AM
  • 707. Krissa said:

    This is a ridiculous circumstance that holds an extremely simplified parallels to the Bailout (I guess?), but of course you know that - you wrote it!

    Donating the money to the family - no. I'm with the groceries/cooking camp. I suppose that means, by donating in kind, I would also be cooking for the person buying crack, so if he wants to sell my chicken spaghetti for crack, good luck to the gentleman.

    But like I might start saying now: Give a man a fish, he eats for a day: give a family spaghetti, and someone might buy crack.

    Why not just post your thoughts on the bailout and close the comments? Why the ruse?

    10.03.08 - 09:04 AM
  • 708. AnnaMarie said:

    yes.

    10.03.08 - 09:05 AM
  • 709. Anonymous said:

    donate *food* to the family and poisoned crack to the dopehead. Small benefits to both subsets of people and society as a whole.

    10.03.08 - 09:06 AM
  • 710. ML said:

    I'm not sure what I would do but maybe if you use these folks the crack family would never know? :)

    www.GivingAnon.org

    10.03.08 - 09:07 AM
  • 711. mf said:

    I will give the money, the addict is already a waste, if it is an addiction they will get it anyway, BUT FOOD, FOR A CHILD ALWAYS MORE IMPORTANT

    10.03.08 - 09:10 AM
  • 712. Anonymous said:

    This is about taxes. And, I totally agree with Heather. Just because some people abuse the system...and I am so tired of hearing about it ("my taxes are not going to go to the lazy, etc.") does not mean that people in real need: the blind/deaf/mentally challenged and specifically, CHILDREN WHO HAVE NO CHOICE OR CONTROL ON OR OF THE MATTER should suffer. I really don't want this beautiful country I love to turn into a 3rd world country with no middle class...pretty much every 1st world country has FAR HIGHER taxes than us. And yes, people abuse the system there in sweden, and *gasp* they are white! NO! YES but the people who really need and deserve the help (CHILDREN) should not suffer because of this. I agree with Heather: if I ever make more than 250,000 then I think I can give a little extra...I can afford it. On a side note a lot of the comments that approach this from a strictly theoretical position are very interesting.

    10.03.08 - 09:13 AM
  • 713. Anonymous said:

    Let me just preface my response as somebody who has worked for the system and somebody who received from the system.
    You do not "donate" (is that the politically correct word for taxes now?) to the child or the crackhead. You teach the hungry family skills to feed themselves which in turn helps them to feel confident and gain a self esteem that they had been lacking. That self esteem is then passed to their children as they become active successful participants in the community.
    Your attitude towards "I choose to donate my money because I'm a wonderful person" or "those poor, poor people can't help themselves...so let me donate $50.00" is what keeps people in the system down. I say this because I have watched and experience firsthand what happens when people in the system start to better themselves. Suddenly those who "donate" don't have a cause to make themselves feel good, and they find themselves doing everything they can to put people "back in their place" so they have a cause again. If your attitude was not such, then we would see you donating your time to these people that you care so much about...not just your money. Money is not getting personally involved, your time is.
    So I guess my long winded answer is that the goal shouldn't be to feed the hungry child and crackhead for the day, it should be to teach and elevate both towards something better...something that your "donations" have failed to do for years. The success rate for those on the system is not good.
    If it were up to me, my choice would be to invest in my child's future education. Or into a program that is regulated, and cash flow is accounted for. A program where I spend not just my money, but also my time

    Thank you for listening.

    10.03.08 - 09:13 AM
  • 714. Anonymous said:

    I'm only using the anonymous this time, to prevent possible identification by any of my clients... since my feelings are less than PC.

    Sure I would. A child shouldn't have to go hungry, and the crack abuser, providing they stay put and load up on drugs, are hurting no one but themself. A victimless crime, they are only hurting themself. A great book to read with similar thought-provoking questions is "Ain't Nobody's Business if You Do: The Absurdity of Consensual Crimes in a Free Society".

    10.03.08 - 09:14 AM
  • 715. LindzML said:

    Without a doubt I would give the money to both. I'd hope the addict would have a change of heart, and I'd probably tell them as much, but a family that needs food is a family that needs food.

    10.03.08 - 09:14 AM
  • 716. Colleen said:

    If this is in regard to the bailout, does anyone really think that the family going through tough times will benefit or that the family who lost their house is going to get it back? Honestly? Face it, the bailout is going to the banks. The banks are not going to turn around and help you get what you lost back. So the crack addict and the crack dealer gets what they want and it's all paid for by the everyone including the hungry family. Nothing gets fixed.

    Let the crack addict and the crack dealer pay for their own mistakes and we can deal with helping just the hungry family.

    10.03.08 - 09:14 AM
  • 717. Kristen said:

    I would give food, instead of money, to both.

    10.03.08 - 09:18 AM
  • 718. Alisong said:

    Give the money. The crack heads will find a way to get crack with or without you, the hungry will continue to be hungry without you and what good is that?

    10.03.08 - 09:18 AM
  • 719. olive said:

    Are all of you giving to the hungry family now when you don't have to face this dilemma? Or is this purely hypothetical that so many respondents are so generous?

    10.03.08 - 09:18 AM
  • 720. Lisa said:

    I would say absolutely NO.

    I was talking to someone yesterday, who said if the government took that 700billion and spread it out amongst all the taxpayers, it would equal to about $220k per person. And what would most people do with the money? Probably pay down their debts and/or houses or buy a house. Hmmmm....sounds like a better way to bailout to me.

    10.03.08 - 09:19 AM
  • 721. robyn said:

    I'd absolutely hand over the money. Why let someone keep suffering when you can help?

    10.03.08 - 09:19 AM
  • 722. megan said:

    It sounds a lot like the welfare system. Some will abuse it and others use it for the intended purpose in a way that actually helps them survive. I would give the money, because just like the welfare system, I would rather help those in real need and allow others to abuse it, than to not help those who need it.

    10.03.08 - 09:21 AM
  • 723. Rosie_Kate said:

    Hmmm... Isn't crack really expensive? If I gave $75 (which could feed a family for a week easily), how much would the crack addict really be able to buy?

    Or, I would just give the family some food.

    10.03.08 - 09:21 AM
  • 724. snotty said:

    Sure! That addict is going to find the fix whether it's from me or not. I don't feel bad about that, it's their choice. But this scenario doesn't seem very based in reality. I hope I'm never confronted with it!

    10.03.08 - 09:22 AM
  • 725. Anonymous said:

    If this is in response to the bailouts then watch this...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RZVw3no2A4

    Why doesn't mainstream media report this?

    What would Obama do? Hmmmmmmmmm???? Take care of his ass first!

    10.03.08 - 09:22 AM
  • 726. Spatula said:

    I'd give the money, absolutely.

    1. Why should the poor family suffer because of someone else's drug problem?

    2. I would make peace with the crack money by viewing it as a form of harm reduction. That's a hit the addicted person won't have to steal, mug or suck body parts for. I'm willing to live with that.

    10.03.08 - 09:23 AM
  • 727. Colleen said:

    #720 Lisa - hear, hear. Also, the bill is up to $850 billion with all the pork that was added and approved by the Senate.

    10.03.08 - 09:23 AM
  • 728. Victoria said:

    I'd take the money to buy the hungry family food.

    10.03.08 - 09:24 AM
  • 729. Anonymous said:

    to 705 suzy: you could simply answer the question in a thoughtful analytical way that expressed your apparently opposing view on this matter instead of calling names and being overall insulting and condescending. Yours is not a worthwhile or helpful comment.

    10.03.08 - 09:24 AM
  • 730. pd said:

    I don't think I would, but not because I'm not a bleeding heart (and proud to be) - I wouldn't want to be responsible for the addict's OD if tragedy were to strike.

    10.03.08 - 09:26 AM
  • 731. Anonymous said:

    YEPPERS! Feeding the hungry maybe we are all a little twisted in the fact that we would also be feeding the crack addict, but yes, I would feed the family too. After all... isn't there a lot of drug addiction programs?

    10.03.08 - 09:27 AM
  • 732. Shannon said:

    No, but presented with the scenario I would find out if the adult family members had skills that would make them employable by me or someone I knew. What I would spend to donate to them for food could quickly be earned doing a lot of different kinds of work (household, labor, etc). Give a man a fish and all that.

    10.03.08 - 09:29 AM
  • 733. Jennifer Lowry said:

    Easy. Now- this is not one of those warm fuzzy replies, and will probably offend some people.

    Do it. Feed the desperate family, and by all means give the same amt. of money to the crack addict- with any luck they'll overdose and cease their contamination of society.

    10.03.08 - 09:29 AM
  • 734. Corrin said:

    Donating the money could potentially hurt more people than not donating the money, and is only a temporary solution even if the drugs weren't part of the scenario. If I could donate food, clothing, necessities, time, a job recommendation, then yes. But to give cash, no.

    10.03.08 - 09:29 AM
  • 735. Amanda Nicole said:

    Yes.

    Living in a city that has a very high rate of crack and heroin addicts, most of them under 35 and with families begging for them to come home, I have come to the conclusion that everyone with as many opportunities as we have here in Canada carves out their own lives and are wholly accountable for their sorry selves. Also, the suffering family should not starve because someone else has chosen to destroy any chances of health and happiness they've been given.

    It's not up to us to save others from themselves, it's up to us to lend help where it's needed.

    10.03.08 - 09:30 AM
  • 736. Stellare said:

    Donate! Without a shred of doubt.

    10.03.08 - 09:31 AM
  • 737. OrangeG said:

    You don't give hungry people money! YOU GIVE THEM FOOD!

    10.03.08 - 09:32 AM
  • 738. Anonymous said:

    Well... yes. I'd rather my money feed a family for a week and one person not be robbed tonight because the crackhead got a hand out.

    What I'm annoyed by right now is all the people who are saying that they'd buy groceries for the family or they'd "teach them how to get a job". Really? Then why aren't you? Beyond bringing a can of peas that's been at the back of your kitchen cabinet for two years to your works annual can drive, what do you do to try to better your community? Probably nothing. So give your money. It's all you have to offer.

    I know it's all I have to offer.

    10.03.08 - 09:35 AM
  • 739. brendal said:

    No. I'd rather help get the family a job (or more skills for a better one), stable healthcare and a solution to improve their lives in the long term than a quick fix for both.

    10.03.08 - 09:36 AM
  • 740. Michelle said:

    Being someone who grew up very poor with hard-working parents who did not smoke, drink or use drugs; and sometimes needing the help of charity in order to eat; and also having a brother who is now an alcoholic and meth addict; give the money & never give up hope.

    10.03.08 - 09:38 AM
  • 741. Becca said:

    Yes, there is no reason to judge others choices in my desire to be of assistance. The choice I am making is to be a caring, giving individual. The choice of either the family or the adict is their own. How they spend the money I give them is entirely up to them. Their choice should not impact mine. Plus, opitimistically, maybe this time the adict chooses to get help with the money I have provided. I come from a family that suffers from a lot of adiction problems, some have made the choice to seek help, and for others, their pain was too great to overcome their need to extinguish it with drugs or alcohol. People with adictions need help just as much as those who are hungry. Being judgemental only serves to exacerbate problems, not assit them.

    10.03.08 - 09:38 AM
  • 742. Heather Hamilton said:

    Absolutely and here's why, not giving money to the person to buy crack is not going to stop them from buying crack. As the wife of an addict I can tell you that withholding money is not going to stop them, they will just do something else to get it, like break into your car and steal your radio or break into your house and steal your stuff.

    So, If the only way you could give money to a worthy cause was to also give money to the person to buy crack I would totally do it. In a wierd way you are sort of helping two people, the person who needs the money for food and the person who no longer has to loose their car stereo to support the addicts habit.

    10.03.08 - 09:40 AM
  • 743. Karen said:

    I am a single mother of two beautiful children. My oldest son's father is a crack addict. While I still struggle to this day to put food on our table, if someone presented me with the above scenario, I would kindly refuse the money.

    My ex-husband's drug addiction has destroyed our lives in so many ways, and I would rather search for food elsewhere than contribute to the downward spiral that is caused by drug addiction.

    My opinion...for what it's worth.

    10.03.08 - 09:42 AM
  • 744. Julie said:

    Yes.

    You have to hope our law enforcement is doing all they can to fight the war on drugs.

    A child should never starve. We who are able should do all we can to prevent it.

    10.03.08 - 09:42 AM
  • 745. Meghan said:

    Yeah, I'd do it.

    10.03.08 - 09:43 AM
  • 746. Meir said:

    YES,
    I would give the money.
    BTW, it feels really good to see that most people who left comments would do this.

    But..
    I really do not see how this is related to the bailout.
    Bailout is a totally different story.

    One moron gave money to another moron to buy a house he did not deserve.
    When the first moron stopped paying (which was obvious from the beginning), third moron is about to give money to the first two.

    The problem is that the money was TAKEN from the fourth moron, who HAS BEEN paying his mortgage and HAS BEEN paying his taxes!!

    The fourth moron is me, of course...

    10.03.08 - 09:43 AM
  • 747. Stacey said:

    Yes, definitely. The crackhead will find the crack either way. The family genuinely needs the money.

    10.03.08 - 09:44 AM
  • 748. Anonymous said:

    If I have some extra on me, I give money to those who seem to need it. My family can't stand it and always say they will buy beer and cigarettes, or use it for drugs. I have no way of knowing how the money will be used. When I give it, it is theirs and no longer mine. I hope they will use it wisely.

    10.03.08 - 09:44 AM
  • 749. Anonymous said:

    Hell ya, who am I to judge what huger is more insatiable, the hunger for food or the hunger for crack.

    10.03.08 - 09:46 AM
  • 750. Desiree said:

    As everyone has said, this is a tough question. I've been reading through the comments and people bring up interesting points but I, myself, would give the money.

    That crackhead is going to get the money or the crack anyway he can - crack is too addictive and not something you can just "skip" for a day or hour or minute.

    That family may find other ways to get the food but who knows how/if/why. I'd prefer to give them a step forward for one more day than the children be hungry and the parents be more stressed than they most likely already are.

    You can't fix everything in the world, but you can try to help parts of it.

    (Yes, I realize I sound SICKENINGLY optimistic and liberal, but I've also BEEN THERE when it comes to wondering where the next meal or meals are going to come from. Even when I'M having money problems, I'd STILL donate to someone worse off.)

    10.03.08 - 09:46 AM
  • 751. Anonymous said:

    Comment number 366.. I liked what you said, because it is true. We often forget that it is not the rich drug king pins that do the labor. It is like I try to tell people drug dealing is big business and really does affect our economy, whether you choose to believe it or not.

    Of course I would give the money, because I have been in need before. I do not have 6 kids, I have one. I work full time, go to school full tme, so it is not like some one can say that I am lazy.

    Sometimes my car, which is pretty freaking old, breaks down and it costs $800, and the next few paychecks are going to be short because I had to take off to take care of my sick daughter, then I got sick and I cant not afford to go to the doctor. So before I know it my check is 24 hours short and I got an $800 bill. Ohh, and I do not qualify for any social services, because I make $20 a month too much.

    You going to teach me to "fish" then? I know what I am supposed to be doing. I am not incompetent, but I struggle sometimes. Save you say? HOW? everything is sucked away between gas, food, utiities and BASIC needs. With out spending $65 to fill up my tank every week, I would have no money. Ride the bus you say? Ha--there are none going to and from where I need to be.

    Get a better job you say? What do you think I am doing in college? I am trying. Not everyone is looking for a handout, sometimes people really need help and we should just smile and do it if we can.

    10.03.08 - 09:46 AM
  • 752. laura said:

    Nope.

    10.03.08 - 09:46 AM
  • 753. Anonymous said:

    Yes, I would give the money without a second thought. But if you're getting at the issue of government aid, the real point is that it is morally wrong for the government (or anyone) to COERCE a person to give his money to either the needy family or the crack head. (If that's not what you're getting at, I apologize for the digression.)

    10.03.08 - 09:47 AM
  • 754. Lene said:

    I could give you a long dissertation about my reasons, but am sure everyone's much relieved to hear that I won't. Because my instant, no-hesitation answer is yes. Of course. You have a chance to feea kid? Well, any person who's starving, really. Do good when you can.

    I'd like to ask another question - to the people who said no or had to think about it: why wouldn't you?

    10.03.08 - 09:48 AM
  • 755. angela said:

    I don't know what this says about me, but this was easy to answer.

    No.

    10.03.08 - 09:48 AM
  • 756. thelibrarianne said:

    Yes.

    I know this is a metaphor for something completely different, but I really dislike when people think that welfare is some sort of evil liberal ideology. The welfare system isn't perfect, but hopefully we'd all help someone in need with a donation or (gasp!) food stamps, regardless of political feelings. Then again, I'm a social work student. Guess I'm kind of biased towards helping those in need instead of kicking them to the curb.

    10.03.08 - 09:50 AM
  • 757. stefanie said:

    Hi dooce,
    I'm Stef- been a reader for a couple years now. Thanks for boldly sharing your lives with us.

    So addiction and hunger... In the absence of a sustainable solution (to keep both the kids and the addict from harm) I'd have to say yes, I would make the donation.. the crack addict must find their way. If that person reaches for help he/she will get it. Plus, perhaps (in a somewhat ethically twisted sense of logic) it may better to keep the addict from some desperate measure he/she may take to obtain their next hit.

    -Tough one... it got me thinkin'!

    10.03.08 - 09:51 AM
  • 758. brozy said:

    Yes, provided the person buying the crack was already an addict, not a first-time user.

    10.03.08 - 09:52 AM
  • 759. Beth said:

    Hell yes I'd do it! And I'd give extra so the crack user could get a nicer pipe.

    10.03.08 - 09:52 AM
  • 760. Rachel said:

    i couldnt do it. there are ways other than money to help people. and providing money for a crackhead will inevitably end up hurting someone else. maybe even the children of the family you're feeding.

    10.03.08 - 09:53 AM
  • 761. Lily said:

    Absolutely, without a second thought. I think it is rather distasteful for someone to donate money to help someone in need then feel they have the right to dictate how that person spends the money.

    If you want to donate, fine, but once you hand it over it's not your money anymore. If that bothers you - don't donate your money. Donate your time or your food or your blood or whatever.

    10.03.08 - 09:53 AM
  • 762. Kelly said:

    I just want to say how much it amuses me that 99% of the commentors don't realize you're talking about the bailout plan.

    Also, Obama/Biden '08

    10.03.08 - 09:54 AM
  • 763. pd said:

    Lene - not hurting the sick person seems more important to me than giving the poor family a sandwich.

    My "no" isn't coming from a hateful place. Maybe a selfish one, I suppose.

    10.03.08 - 09:54 AM
  • 764. Anonymous said:

    It's not a fair question...or else, there is not enough information. However, if I had to answer just based on what you asked, then the answer is 'no'. No, I would find a different way to help the desperate family instead.

    10.03.08 - 09:54 AM
  • 765. Desiree said:

    I'd like to add, in response to those saying "I'd teach them how to make money", food banks, etc.

    Food banks, shelters, yes those are feasible.

    But those saying you're going to help them make a better living and so on? Really? You're going to get them a job, a paycheck, and everything else in - oh, let's say - AN HOUR before dinner? Well done! Bravo!

    I think I'm done spewing the acid of my angry sarcasm, now.

    10.03.08 - 09:55 AM
  • 766. Yvonne said:

    Yes... but the scenario would be harder/impossible if you knew that the crack user would die from that crack... um.. that's too far, isn't it!

    10.03.08 - 09:56 AM
  • 767. Anonymous said:

    My god, what a stupid question.
    I'm almost positive you are not facing that question in real life.
    It's so stupid it's mind boggling. What made you post it?

    10.03.08 - 09:57 AM
  • 768. Lauren said:

    #720, Lisa - I saw that email too and someone's math is wrong. It is not $220k a person, more like $500 a person. The bailout is required so that banks can find a way to refinance people so that they can keep their mortgages - or at least thats what they should do. Everyone's upset about the greedy Wall Street guys getting all the money, but the fact is that our society will rapidly enter a depression if all of our banks go bankrupt. They are doing it more to prevent a panic than anything else.

    10.03.08 - 09:57 AM
  • 769. rachel said:

    what if the family was desperate because one of the parents spent all their money on crack?

    10.03.08 - 09:59 AM
  • 770. Anonymous said:

    NO

    Lene

    I said no because I have had the opportunity. We all have. There ARE hungry people in this world and I have never given them money. So how could I turn around and then say yes I would. I haven't therefore I wouldn't.

    10.03.08 - 10:01 AM
  • 771. Beckybug said:

    After reading comments so far...

    Is the government using the bailout/rescue plan to alleviate the guilt they feel about the crazy web they've helped weave?

    Are they using it because it makes it look like they're trying to help when they really are just enabling?

    And say we decide to give food instead of money, is giving food to the desperate hungry family enabling them to be addicted to handouts? Is any addiction different than another?

    Are they doing it because of their faith, or because of their political affiliation, or because they think it is the right thing to do? Right for who?

    If we shower money to lenders and tax breaks to others, is it really going to make the necessary change? If we don't make a change, will the market adapt?

    I can't make much sense of the problems that our economy and government and people are facing right now, but your question and the responses sure help me realize how other people are thinking about it, and why the solution being discussed is an immediate monetary 'fix'.

    10.03.08 - 10:07 AM
  • 772. Jen said:

    Yes.

    Frankly, I don't care if someone does crack. It's their body. Child poverty is a far more terrible thing then someone doing drugs. (Since it's probably relevant, I'm a liberal Canadian.)

    10.03.08 - 10:07 AM
  • 773. carolbrowne said:

    Nope. I'd give the family food, and help them get some kind of support to ensure the kids can get to school. That's the only place I'd feel obligated to help in this scenerio.

    10.03.08 - 10:08 AM
  • 774. Trickygringo said:

    Yes I would. If the other individual decides to harm him/herself with crack, that was still their decision.

    But I think I know where you're going with this. Let's change the scenario. Let's say you're given the opportunity to donate some money to a desperate family who would use it to feed their children, but were only able to do so if you donated the same amount of money to someone who would use it to fund burning down a man's house and killing his family.

    In that scenario. No. I'm not going to help feed one family at the cost of the death of another.

    If we're talking about government welfare, the problem isn't so much that money goes to people who use it for crack instead of food (as the government has no incentive to ensure the money goes to good use), but the real problem is 60% of the money that is supposedly welfare funds (VERY conservative number) doesn't go to either of the person in need or the crack fiend.

    10.03.08 - 10:08 AM
  • 775. Anonymous said:

    No question. Donate the money. (And secretly hope that maybe the crack addict gets caught.)

    10.03.08 - 10:08 AM
  • 776. Sarah said:

    Of course I would! Yeah, crack is whack and all that (and I apologize, I'm sure someone has posted that already), but I really look at it as doing 2 good deeds. The addict WILL find a way to get their fix, and at least this time he or she will not be stealing, doing violence to others or selling themselves to do so. Win win.

    10.03.08 - 10:09 AM
  • 777. Danielle Black said:

    I would pay.

    10.03.08 - 10:10 AM
  • 778. schmoop said:

    Yep.

    10.03.08 - 10:10 AM
  • 779. Gillian said:

    Yep. I bet both parties would say "thanks" and be happy for the donation. The crack habit isn't going to stop just because you didn't give them any.

    10.03.08 - 10:11 AM
  • 780. Raeann said:

    Yes. We cannot eliminate welfare just because people abuse the system.

    10.03.08 - 10:12 AM
  • 781. Diana said:

    Please, how in the world would that ever be a real life situation? And most of these commentators have probably never donated in their life...because there are plenty of hungry families waiting, now...without the crackhead stipulation. Are they donating now???

    10.03.08 - 10:13 AM
  • 782. uncommonblonde said:

    For sure. Drug addicts often find a way to get the money anyway (I know I sound like a jerk). It would be worth it to feed the family. After 700 comments you probably have your answer

    10.03.08 - 10:13 AM
  • 783. Madeline said:

    I grew up in a very diverse area, where the very wealthy and the very poor lived practically side by side. I once worked with a woman who also drove a transit bus for the county. She told me of this family that kept their teenage daughters pregnant to "keep the welfare coming." I've seen countless examples of kindess being abused.

    I would absolutely give money to a family who needs it to help pay for food for their children. I would even do so given your stipulations, but lest we forget that there are always people spitting in the faces of those trying to help. I suppose it gets under everyone's skin that their good intentions are pimped out to petty criminals and liars as well as good, honest people who, try as they might, cannot make ends meet.

    What can you do?

    10.03.08 - 10:17 AM
  • 784. Tracy said:

    I'd give the money, for the children. The crackhead will find a way to get high with or without my money. The family will a much more difficult time finding food.

    10.03.08 - 10:17 AM
  • 785. ohkelly said:

    While this is obviously a very simplified, black and white question in a very gray world, I would probably help out the needy family. I have lived in a bad inner city neighborhood and helped out neighbors a few times. sometimes those needy neighbors turned up with brand new nikes or booming car stereos after i had bought milk for their kids. whatever.

    but, i also recognize that this is my free choice. I tremendously respect and value the freedom to develop my own view on what is best to help the needy around us . When we start putting programs in place that force people to put money into programs they don't support - it makes me cringe. Especially having lived and taught school in Chicago's inner city, and seeing how completely ineffective so many government-funded programs are.

    Government should be an instrument to protect freedom, not an instrument to solve society's ills. that burden lies with us as private citizens.

    10.03.08 - 10:17 AM
  • 786. Athenae said:

    YES. Good lord. If we spent a fraction of the time we currently use wittering on about some imaginary crack addict who may or may not be taking us for a ride actually helping people we would cure disease, hunger, poverty, and DEATH.

    Everybody's so afraid of being taken for a ride. Everybody's so afraid somebody out there is doing them wrong. Everybody out there thinks they got what they got because they earned it and everybody else is scamming them. I'm DONE with this smug crap. I'm sorry, but it makes me insane. And to the people saying this creates dependence, let me ask you, have you ever been on welfare? Ever needed money?

    Nobody waxes poetic about the benefits of poverty unless it's over a full dinner plate. It's only a useful life lesson when it's no longer going on. The privilege. The assumptions. YES, to dooce's question, a thousand times, and if I get taken, so what. I'd rather get taken than parade around showing off how superior I am for knowing so much better than that CRACK ADDICT. My god.

    A.

    10.03.08 - 10:17 AM
  • 787. Richard said:

    Uhhhhh. You're keeping both the family and the "someone" in the same position no mater if you say yes or no.

    This is kind of like that train track scenario. Was that on RadioLab? I think so. There's a catch in there. Who do you care about more? The family or the crackhead? I think if you say yes to giving the money automatically, it's because you think less of the crackhead (you'll never check in with him/her again anyway, right?). But, if you see that addict as a human being, saying no sure makes you look like a son-of-a-bitch for not helping that family get some food for a week.

    Let's just say 100 people all say yes. You are essentially killing off the "someone" and feeding the family for a short amount of time. If 100 people say no, you are essentially leaving the "someone" to fend for themselves and hanging the family out to dry.

    This scenario is fucked up.

    10.03.08 - 10:18 AM
  • 788. Lori said:

    Yes.

    I have a feeling there will be a follow up to this and am interested to see what it is.

    10.03.08 - 10:20 AM
  • 789. eva said:

    yes

    10.03.08 - 10:22 AM
  • 790. kari said:

    Absolutely. The crack head is going to find a way to get crack regardless of what you do with the other half of the money.

    10.03.08 - 10:22 AM
  • 791. Katy said:

    Yes.

    The basehead would get his crack anyway, and mostly likely by means of hurting someone else.

    Go for it.

    10.03.08 - 10:23 AM
  • 792. A said:

    Yes.
    No questions asked.

    10.03.08 - 10:25 AM
  • 793. Jennifer said:

    Aren't you describing America's Welfare System?

    Some abuse the system (crackheads), most need help to stay afloat, like my family did at one point...like my Husbands family did at one point...

    I'd give the money.

    But like Obama said, "You can't just throw money at the problem"...So I'd also want to teach them how to keep themselves financially stable.

    10.03.08 - 10:25 AM
  • 794. Rachel said:

    I'd donate it to both of them. I can't control (and don't want to control people) what someone does...as much I'd hate that the money was going towards their crack habit. It's not right to withhold help for the family because of someone else.

    10.03.08 - 10:28 AM
  • 795. Europa said:

    Not complicated at all. Give the money.

    10.03.08 - 10:28 AM
  • 796. Anonymous said:

    No, I would not give money to the family and the crack buyer. There's got to be a better solution than that, so I would work hard to find it. There's rarely only one way to do something, whether it's helping a starving family, or whatever analogy is being made with this question.

    10.03.08 - 10:29 AM
  • 797. Lisa Marie said:

    No one should be hungry. There is so much food waste in this country. You can easily get a perfectly good loaf of bread from the dumpster behind a bakery, but cities make dumpster diving illegal. It's all because of profiteering. If they can't sell it they don't want to give it away.

    Yes, I would give the money. The crackhead will kill himself off eventually but what's more important is that people deserve to eat.

    10.03.08 - 10:29 AM
  • 798. Madeline said:

    I've been through a bit of the comments here, and I need to impose a question:

    Does everyone here go on the assumption that this crack feind is your friendly neighborhood professional, that has a weekend problem with the pipe? That's not reality. More often than not, this is someone who beats his wife, doesn't have a job though he is perfectly capable, milks the system, and is most likely a convicted felon.

    "It's their body." Yes, and you can scar it, tattoo it, burn it, posion it however you want on your own time and money. It's absolutely true that it's their body, but it's the effect that they have on families, on society, on crime rates that is so damning.

    10.03.08 - 10:31 AM
  • 799. Little Girl Big Glasses said:

    I'm pretty sure you're making a parallel to the proposed bail-out... I'm surprised everyone's answering your question literally.

    But, since they are, I'll jump in. No. No I would not. I would smack the person that made up a system wherein the hungry cannot eat without the addicts continuing their habit. But I'm just kind of mean that way.

    10.03.08 - 10:32 AM
  • 800. Amanda said:

    I agree with #17- and #19... poor #19 they must have a really hard life to have that much anger and hate inside of them.

    BUT, if you multiply this by 100 or 10,000 I would have to say no, I couldnt do it.

    10.03.08 - 10:33 AM
  • 801. Anonymous said:

    typing a response with the caps lock engaged does not make it the truth, and it does not make it a more compelling arguement.

    just sayin.

    10.03.08 - 10:33 AM
  • 802. Melissa said:

    Jessica (#690)

    Apparently, I think that not everyone DOES/DID understand that she was looking at a larger issue - THUS my comment. I'm not the only one who made this comment either - so why do you feel the need to single me out? Did I strike a nerve with you somehow or are you one of those who has to attack anyone who disagrees with Heather? If you find my comment insulting, perhaps you should ask yourself why.

    If I'm coming off as a jackass, so be it. I have that right. I am one of the people who logs on here everyday, who participates in getting this blogs views on the rise so that sponsors pay for Heather to sit at home and figure out where my tax money should go while I'm at work every day. So yeah - I think I can say what I want and if that makes me a jackass? Jackass, I am.

    I, too, am interested in where this all goes. I don't have to be interested for the same reasons that you are in order to have an opinion. So stick with talking to/responding to/ communicating with people on here that will better contribute to what YOU want to get out of this and maybe you'll be happier. I can read and respond in any manner I choose, whether it be political or not. I don't need you to tell me what to do.

    And in answer to your question do I think I'm the only one with a brain? When I posted my original comment - I was beginning to wonder. Now that you've so graciously written a nice comment with such big ole words, I can rest easy knowing I'm not alone in my brain-owning. Thanks!!

    "And to #326 ... we are not morons. I think we all understand that Heather may be looking at a larger issue with this question. And yet, we think it is an interesting point of debate. I doubt that a single person who is participating in the discussion does not see how these principles could be expanded to other (political and/or social) issues. Do not insult us. We are participating in this conversation of our own free will, interested to see where Heather goes with this, and interested in using our own brains to extrapolate this idea to other issues in the world today. Why is it necessary to be a jackass? Do you think you are the only person in the world with a brain? You don't have to like Heather's political beliefs, or like to read about anyone's political agenda. So don't. But many of us are interested."

    10.03.08 - 10:35 AM
  • 803. rhea said:

    Yes, because sometimes real life totally sucks.

    This sounds like the question where you can save the life of two people by diverting a train, but the train will then roll into another person (and end their life). No easy answers...

    But it is time for us all to wake up to social responsibility. In my city most of the crack addicts are the wealthy hard-working folk, while most of the homeless families on the street are the poor hard-working folk. Where's the break?

    10.03.08 - 10:37 AM
  • 804. dirtysouth said:

    Oh, sweetie. Again with the politics?

    10.03.08 - 10:38 AM
  • 805. Anonymous said:

    Yeah. In the short-term, small picture logic that this question asks of me, it's more important for the children to eat than it is to prevent one crackhead from getting a fix.

    10.03.08 - 10:38 AM
  • 806. Debs3 said:

    I don't know what it says about me that I didn't even blink before coming to the answer. Yes, I would feed the starving family and let the crack addict die (by providing them with crack). Hunger is rarely a choice and drugs are, so the choice was made for me. Your questions wasn't what you would do instead but what would you do if those were your options. So again. Feed the hungry, kill the addict.

    10.03.08 - 10:38 AM
  • 807. Mama Anachronism said:

    Yes I would. Being a parent myself I couldn't imagine a family going without food. However, it would upset me to have to give money to a crack addict to help their addiction.

    10.03.08 - 10:42 AM
  • 808. karen said:

    Uh, I already donate to poor hungry families. In fact I believe I donated more dollars to charity this last year than Joe Biden and I make way less than he does. You know - walk the walk.

    10.03.08 - 10:43 AM
  • 809. hb said:

    Yes. It's about paying it forward. You will never know how those two gestures will come back to you in a positive way.

    10.03.08 - 10:43 AM
  • 810. #264 said:

    If 2 people are faced with a decision, and 1 person makes an intelligent, educated decision and the other makes a greedy, impulsive one, why should the first person feed the second when their funds inevitably run dry? Tell me why I am being punished for buying a lesser home and locking in a 30-year fixed rate 3 years ago when my peers were buying beyond their means and are now SOL?

    10.03.08 - 10:45 AM
  • 811. Anonymous said:

    everyone thinks they've figured it out. "ohh. yeah, i'll kill the crackhead with his own crack, then that kid can have some food."

    i'd like to hope this "crackhead" and this "hungry family" are just representatives in a way. your "crackhead" is unsavory criminal-type, you know, the one that stabbed your second cousin in that carjacking. and the "hungry family" is that nice family that sends their kids to school in thrift store clothing, if they can even go to school.

    you cannot assume, literally, that the guy that gets the other share of your money is just a crackhead.

    and if you are so inclined to just give out money, this shouldn't bother you. too much.

    10.03.08 - 10:47 AM
  • 812. Anonymous said:

    I'm disappointed that so many people here are referring to a chemical addiction as a mere habit...

    10.03.08 - 10:49 AM
  • 813. beth said:

    No, I would not. The benefit of feeding one hungry family is not worth the far greater consequences of supporting the crack habit of another. Frankly, it surprises me that in all these comments, no one else seems to have taken this into consideration.

    Of course, we all know that this is not really what you are asking...this is a political allegory. And, as far as argument goes, it is fallacious, because it exploits the emotions of the reader to prove your point.

    10.03.08 - 10:49 AM
  • 814. Rosemary said:

    Of course. I am reminded of a book I read where a woman gave money to a homeless girl, and after watching her knew she would be using it to buy drugs. She said that as a mother she had to give the girl money and the chance to get a better life, and if she used it instead for drugs, at least she was buying them with money instead of getting them in other horrible ways.

    If we are fortunate enough to help, we choose to help. The person taking the money also has the choice of what to do with the money, or how to better their situation.

    The problem with politics and our country today is that most people on tv, talking about the election, are completely disconnected with what it is like to be in such a dire situation. I know what it's like to have to live off of the generosity of family. I am lucky enough to have a family that is generous. I see people every day who don't have health insurance, can't afford to go to the doctor for themselves or their children, who can't afford the gas it takes to get to work, who have realized by now that a bus isn't what an employer calls "reliable transportation". So many people near all of us are suffering to live, and so many of us are blind to that fact, or blame it on the people themselves.

    A family that needs money to eat is very well a family with piling medical bills. A family full of hardworking people who work so much that they can't take time off to go to school, or try to better their situation.

    The question you now post should be "After thinking this over, how many of you will actually go give a needy family money or groceries?"

    10.03.08 - 10:49 AM
  • 815. Sharon said:

    Yes. Because even though we all have thoughts and intentions on how that money should be used, once it has left your hand, it is no longer yours. You have given it to that person to use as they will. You may have given it to them for food - but if they use it for something else, you have no say in it. So give with having the best of intentions in your heart, but don't have expectations. Who's to say the family your feeding won't go and by an X-box? Or the crack family suddenly has a lightbulb moment and uses the money to get help?

    10.03.08 - 10:50 AM
  • 816. Anonymous said:

    this a ridiculous question. find someone to help that doesn't involve hurting someone else. there are an infinite amount of opportunities to help without causing harm.

    10.03.08 - 10:50 AM
  • 817. Jen said:

    Yep.

    Giving to help a whole family cancels out more direct suffering, even with the crack head factored in, than withholding money to lessen the suffering of one single person. Forget the fact that he/she may rob a bank or whatever - the odds of that aren't very high in reality. One might even go so far as to say allowing the crack addict to score drugs cancels out some suffering, if only for a short time.

    Interesting problem though, since this person is someone you know, you're possibly going to suffer first hand from the results of this decision.

    Me personally, I believe that the crack head can make a choice, but the family probably can't - so help those that truly need it, not those who are choosing to need it. And yes, I have experience with addicts and addiction.

    10.03.08 - 10:50 AM
  • 818. Cissy said:

    A. Yes I would.

    B. Go read 119! Drug screen welfare recipiants! GENIUS! I'm all for that. Even random screening is a detterant. Ask most of the folks in the military..which I was.

    10.03.08 - 10:51 AM
  • 819. Anonymous said:

    Oh come, come.....leading questions are not becoming!
    I have heard this question before! Both answers are wrong of course. Yep, crack heads have kids, who they don't feed and use the goverments money to buy their crack. No one said it was a perfect world.

    10.03.08 - 10:51 AM
  • 820. Anonymous said:

    812, as am i.

    perhaps for different reasons.

    10.03.08 - 10:51 AM
  • 821. Lexie said:

    If I had the choice, I would donate food instead. I would then give the family a ton of resources so they can receive food for their family. I would then ask the church to give a "Love Offering" to the family.

    10.03.08 - 10:52 AM
  • 822. Nik said:

    I didn't go through each and every comment of course, however. A crackhead is going to get crack any way they can, beg, borrow, steal, mame or kill.....
    A hungry family most likely will not.

    Saving a starving child or family will give them hope of a brighter future.

    Let the crackhead have his/her fix, they would't have gotten it if different, more distructive way if not.

    Nurishing a young soul at that cost is worth it, not everyone in this world is as dark and greedy as it may look to them at the moment

    10.03.08 - 10:52 AM
  • 823. val cox said:

    not a moments hesitation. No, I would not give to either if it meant enabling the one to buy crack.

    That's a tough call to make however.

    10.03.08 - 10:53 AM
  • 824. Liz said:

    Yes I would. I would not punish the family in need in order to deny the addict.

    And it really makes me sad to see how many people say teach the parent a skill. Sure, that would be great if life was that simple. I went to college. I have skills. That doesn't necessarily mean I'm going to be able to find a job that pays enough to feed, clothe, and house my family. Have a little compassion.

    10.03.08 - 10:53 AM
  • 825. Janet said:

    See #195 comment. Couldn't say it better. But overall the answer is yes.

    10.03.08 - 10:54 AM
  • 826. Relentless Olive said:

    #719:

    Great question!

    10.03.08 - 10:54 AM
  • 827. Anonymous said:

    Give a man a fish, he eats for a day. Teach a man to fish, he eats for a lifetime. Give a man money for crack hes high for a day and addicted for a lifetime. Perhaps the crack addict has kids also? and its only providing more money for him to squander while HIS kids go hungry? I agree with # 300, a temp. fix is not the solution.

    10.03.08 - 10:55 AM
  • 828. hautepocket said:

    Absolutely yes, I would and here's why: The child has little to no control over his or her hunger and need. The crack head, while him or her is probably addicted, still made a bad choice at one point. The child did not. An addict will always find a way to feed their addiction.

    Love, love, love your blog. (Which should be evident by the use of 3 'loves')

    10.03.08 - 10:55 AM
  • 829. Michele said:

    Yes, I would give the money. I would then follow the crackheads to their buyers place with the police tagging behind...and arrest them all.

    10.03.08 - 10:56 AM
  • 830. CDP said:

    Yes.

    10.03.08 - 10:57 AM
  • 831. Lauren said:

    If I was financially able to (which, sadly, at this point in my life I am not), I would without hesitation. I figure the family who is going to use the money to buy crack is going to buy crack anyway, and might do so by stealing money from families who need the money to eat. It kind of drives me a little crazy when people say we should teach people skills instead of giving them money...it's just not that easy. There are good, well intentioned, skilled people who are unemployed. LOTS OF THEM. And not every needy family is unemployed. Minimum wage is not enough to put food on the table. Sad, but true. I do agree that giving these families enough money for food/crack for one day is a quick fix, but if I was the hungry family, I would thank God for every quick fix that was granted to me.

    10.03.08 - 10:57 AM
  • 832. Karen said:

    Yes, without hesitation.

    10.03.08 - 10:58 AM
  • 833. adriana said:

    Yes. Because that crack head is going to find a way to get crack whether or not I give them money, and no child should ever go hungry.

    10.03.08 - 10:58 AM
  • 834. Alayna said:

    Assuming I knew neither party - no way! There are too many good organizations where I could give all the money and it woudld all be used to feed children. As long as we're making up scenarios, just suppose you did it, and the crackhead got high, got in his car and killed a family with small children or went to rob someone's house and killed the family.(Maybe even the very same family you had just fed) Just sayin - unlikely, yeah, but so is this whole story.

    Now, if I knew the family that was hungry, it would be harder to say no. But I'm pretty crafty about coming up with ways around rules, so I think I could do the same here and figure out some way to get them fed without giving money to the crackhead.

    10.03.08 - 11:01 AM
  • 835. meg said:

    Yes - without question. The importance of helping children far outweighs the risk of giving money to a crack addict. Plus who knows, supply the addict and perhaps he won't resort to violence in order to score his next hit.

    10.03.08 - 11:02 AM
  • 836. Amanda said:

    Yes I would. Taking a drug, while an addiction, is a choice, if the person chooses to use the money to buy crack they have made the choice. Hunger and poverty are not choices. If money could help a desperate family, it is a no brainer.

    10.03.08 - 11:04 AM
  • 837. Lisa said:

    Absolutely yes. A crack addict is going to do crack no matter what, but those hungry children won't eat unless I help them.

    10.03.08 - 11:05 AM
  • 838. Anonymous said:

    anyone sitting on their ass right now, in front of a computer, anonymously, or with your pseudonym behind which you can still remain completely anonymous, can claim they would help hungry children.

    and they can damn that mean old crackhead. and come up with other obsurd scenarios in which the crackhead meets his demise, and the triumphant housewife feeds the needy children.

    this problem is bigger than a blog response. and it is a two-sided coin. if your left wing, it's this way, if your right wing, it's that way.

    10.03.08 - 11:07 AM
  • 839. Heather Wilkes said:

    Yes

    10.03.08 - 11:08 AM
  • 840. dorion said:

    Under no circumstances would I give the money.
    I live downtown in a BIG City....and I have
    witnessed first hand what handouts create...

    If you supply money to a drug user the ripple effect
    travels deep into the very fabric of society. It creates
    the very situations in which children
    need to beg for food. Perhaps if the money was not available, and the drugs were unavailable the "high" individual would then have to face the person in the mirror and and actually be present and hear the cries for food and love that are being voiced by their children.....or any child for that matter.

    By giving a handout you create the need for more hands.

    Now having said all of that I believe in and support schools and organizations that have education programs, summer camps and breakfast programs....you see there is a smart way to get help out to those who need it most.

    10.03.08 - 11:09 AM
  • 841. Anonymous said:

    Without hesitation. Why? Because the crack that person
    buys may be the crack that makes them realize, "Shit,
    I really don't want to live this way any more" and get
    some help. It isn't for us to know how God or The
    Universe works in people's lives to get them well. It is
    for me to be generous and charitable. I let God judge,
    correct, and save everyone else.

    10.03.08 - 11:13 AM
  • 842. Giovanna Diaries said:

    That's a tough thought provocating scenario. I love it!

    But, my answer would be, without a doubt, yes!

    It's definitely worth it in my book.

    10.03.08 - 11:13 AM
  • 843. Anne said:

    Yes. I'm a bleeding heart leftist commie pinko.

    10.03.08 - 11:14 AM
  • 844. lesley said:

    Absolutely. If the presence of evil keeps us from doing good, then evil wins.

    10.03.08 - 11:14 AM
  • 845. Anonymous said:

    Wow. I haven't read all of the comments - not even close. But what becomes very evident is that there are more people reading this blog that would say "yes" than those that would say "no". That makes me feel very good. Thanks Dooce for this little uplift on a Friday afternoon!

    10.03.08 - 11:15 AM
  • 846. Erica said:

    Yes.

    10.03.08 - 11:17 AM
  • 847. Anonymous said:

    yes. and you could argue that every dollar we spend eventually somehow is spent to buy crack (or guns or blow jobs...)we do not live in a vacuum. it is more important to help those in need when you are in the position to do so, no exceptions.

    10.03.08 - 11:17 AM
  • 848. Deeples said:

    What's faster than a heartbeat? A nano-second?

    A fraction of time that is as short as a Higgs Boson is small?

    Well, that's how fast I'd give that money to the family that desperately needed it, even if I had to give the same amount to addicted people that would blow it on drugs.

    I rather help one person than no one - and I can do it reasonably guilt-free knowing that what the other people do is their own choice.

    10.03.08 - 11:17 AM
  • 849. Anonymous said:

    I'd buy them groceries, not give them money.

    10.03.08 - 11:18 AM
  • 850. Anonymous said:

    you know, really, many times it's more than just a crackhead who just has a drug problem. it's a societal thing. it's a "way of life" thing.

    your money isn't going to help these people. it will only make you sleep better at night, and it will only give you that sinse of "i'm better because i care."

    i want to help people. people who really just need help. i would love to show people that, as humans, sometimes we do care about one another. i'd prfer to get my hands dirty in the process.

    you can write a check, sitting in your suv, and then rush off to the nail salon because in the process you just chipped your polish. and then you can smile at the world and say you helped someone.

    are you helping them for them, or are you helping them for you?

    10.03.08 - 11:19 AM
  • 851. Donkey ding dong said:

    So let me get this straight.

    They're hungry.....

    and they need to hire a plumber to fix their sink?

    yukayuk

    10.03.08 - 11:19 AM
  • 852. Robin said:

    I am purposely NOT reading any responses that came before mine so I am not influenced by other's opinions. Here is my gut reaction. If my sister was the part of the family that needed a handout and would use it for food and not for drugs, I would not want her opportunity to obtain assistance to be taken from her because of another's misuse of that assistance. Now I'm going to read what the REST of you wrote.

    10.03.08 - 11:20 AM
  • 853. Lynn said:

    Only if I got to hunt the crackhead after.

    10.03.08 - 11:20 AM
  • 854. Anonymous said:

    Wow. I really can't believe someone seriously advocated using violence against the "crackhead". Just sad.

    10.03.08 - 11:20 AM
  • 855. salome said:

    I would donate it.
    As much as it would kill me to know that someone went and cracked out to m donation, walking away from an opportunity to help a truly desperate family would not be possible.

    10.03.08 - 11:20 AM
  • 856. Marie said:

    Yes, but it would hurt to give to the addict.

    I used to pass several "regulars" on my walk to work up Park Ave. One of them was a woman with a small boy. One day after giving her $5, I saw her in the drugstore buying cigarettes, while the kid played by himself in the aisle.

    Made me want to kick her in the shins and run off with the kid.

    10.03.08 - 11:21 AM
  • 857. Jeff said:

    I'd find a way around it so I could give the family money without helping the crack addict. That's not a no, but it's a "the terms are unacceptable...let's figure out another way."

    10.03.08 - 11:22 AM
  • 858. Jennifer said:

    What if they spent it on butt crack? Like at a strip club?

    10.03.08 - 11:23 AM
  • 859. Officerlove said:

    125. Vivienne said:
    I would absolutely donate the money to both parties. No one is responsible for another's choice.

    Um yeah, you are responsible if you are giving the crackhead money, you have donated to his/her drug abuse therefore are responsible for his/her actions and reactions.

    And it is insulting that you (DOOCE) would compare Wall street to a "crackhead" and Main street to a "hungry family". That is just ignorant and an unreasonable comparison. It appears as if you are just trying to play on people's emotions in order to prove your political point.

    Vote McCain/Palin- the next President and Vice President of the United States.

    10.03.08 - 11:23 AM
  • 860. From Single to Married said:

    yes, I have to say I would. it wouldn't be easy, but I wouldn't want to judge the drug user and would definitely want to help the needy family.

    10.03.08 - 11:26 AM
  • 861. Jess said:

    For me the good out weighs the bad. I would give the money.

    10.03.08 - 11:26 AM
  • 862. Anonymous said:

    haha! buttcrack.

    a sound investment, for sure.

    10.03.08 - 11:26 AM
  • 863. Jennifer said:

    Holy cow, after reading a few of the horribly mean comments generated from this question I am now wondering if some your readers are the ones doing the crack.

    What is wrong with some people? Seriously...

    10.03.08 - 11:27 AM
  • 864. You are all a bunch of idiots said:

    for indulging this inane argument.

    Here's a better one:

    A crack dealer, an Islamic extremist and Sara Palin walk into a bar....

    10.03.08 - 11:27 AM
  • 865. Graham said:

    Of Course I would donate. the crack head is going to find a way to get his/her next fix regardless. I have seen what donating even one meal to a starving family can do for their spirits. It would give them hope, and bring them a little bit of solitude, for at least one day.

    10.03.08 - 11:28 AM
  • 866. tessa said:

    teach a man to fish...

    10.03.08 - 11:28 AM
  • 867. Anonymous said:

    My belief is to always put negative presumptions about people and always trust that they will do the right thing when given a chance. Unfortunetly people dont always do, but I always believe that life has a funny way of balancing this. What goes around comes around - always. As long as I know I've done the right thing, I'm ok with that. What others do with that is up to them - they have to live with that.

    10.03.08 - 11:28 AM
  • 868. Ashley said:

    Can't you just buy food for the family in need and not give a donation of cash?

    10.03.08 - 11:28 AM
  • 869. Officerlove said:

    Oh, and NO FREAKING WAY would I give them the handout.

    10.03.08 - 11:29 AM
  • 870. kim said:

    Here is my life motto:
    If you see a homeless on the street, as a good person my role is to give him some money, now what he does with the money is up to him and his own karma.

    10.03.08 - 11:32 AM
  • 871. Anonymous said:

    Rezko, Ayers, Wright...the list goes on and on. What the fuck is wrong with you libs? You have your heads up your asses

    Chris Dodd, Obama, Barnie Frank - they all made money off of Fannie Mae and should all be in jail!
    Stupid ass, uneducated libs!

    10.03.08 - 11:32 AM
  • 872. Bulldog said:

    I would donate the money - then call the police.

    10.03.08 - 11:32 AM
  • 873. 'wela said:

    Yes, undoubtedly. Doing some good while doing some evil is the American way of Life, isn't it?

    10.03.08 - 11:33 AM
  • 874. Online Shopping Chick said:

    I find the answers here just as interesting than the question. :) Of course this question was inspired by the VP debate last and those calling Heather out on it like it’s a bad thing are being just a little too self righteous. This sort of trade off happens every day and it’s not likely to change any time soon.

    Quick story—had a friend that, though she was a nice enough person to chat with, was not good at making sure her kids got fed. So on the weekends I would have them stay at my house and I’d feed them and her and basically take over. Yes, I was enabling her to be a lazy and bad mother (they had the money—she’d just blow it on other things) but in the end how can you make an innocent child pay for the bad choices of those who should know better?

    Would I give the money? Yes I would to feed a child who can’t fend for themselves.

    10.03.08 - 11:35 AM
  • 875. alissa said:

    I would donate actual food to both families. I live in Manhattan and do that quite often - I don't give money, but I'll buy someone a pretzel or a sandwich.

    10.03.08 - 11:35 AM
  • 876. Jennifer said:

    My immediate reaction was that, yes, I would still do it. Cuz, there is still a family in need, regardless. And, think of survival of the fittest and how that affects the potential outcome...

    10.03.08 - 11:37 AM
  • 877. Kim said:

    No. I'd find another way to help the starving family: leave a box of groceries on their doorstep, offer the mother or father a job, etc. (things I also would be willing to do for a crackhead).

    10.03.08 - 11:41 AM
  • 878. Candy said:

    Hmm...Well my initial reaction to this is, Yes. You must relieve suffering if you have the opportunity.

    But, I have a feeling this is a parable, isn't it. You're going to tell me that I somehow have to vote for McCain/Palin or something even more heinous that giving someone money to buy crack.

    10.03.08 - 11:42 AM
  • 879. Shay said:

    Sure would.

    10.03.08 - 11:42 AM
  • 880. Anonymous said:

    The only thing this question is loaded with is the obvious desire for more page impressions on ads. Don't spend it all in once place, Heather (a crack den, for instance).

    10.03.08 - 11:43 AM
  • 881. Anonymous said:

    First reaction: If I *knew*? The question is nonsense unless you assume ignorance or irresponsibility. A person of goodwill cannot *know* and keep doing what is irresponsible.

    Second reaction: Anything that makes us think about others and loosens our grip on our possessions, is a good thing.

    10.03.08 - 11:45 AM
  • 882. Di said:

    Jesus loves me this I know... for the bible tells me so... little ones need food to grow.. give the guy crack and let him blow... yes, Jesus loves me...

    Oh, sorry... got carried away with the Jesus crap.

    Sure, I'd give them all lots of money. Here... let me write them a check right now.

    10.03.08 - 11:46 AM
  • 883. Stacy said:

    Feeding the hungry family is the right thing to do. Period.

    10.03.08 - 11:46 AM
  • 884. Anonymous said:

    i really do just love how some people are adding little hints just to make sure we all know that they would never need such assistance. they are the kind of people who are suffering in that "we didn't take the summer cruise this year, but the ski trip is totally on" kind of way.

    you give to these people, to be a step above them.

    i've never given any real sum of money to charity. i've put my spare change in those jars with the pictures of sick kids on them, mostly in the hope that those children would get better. and a small part of me wants to stop seeing the pictures of sick kids when i pay for my gas. to be honest. i'd rather donate my time to people in need.

    10.03.08 - 11:46 AM
  • 885. Lynn said:

    For those of you who mean what you say and would like to donate to help stop hunger, here's a couple of places you can start...

    http://www.mowaa.org/index.asp - Meals on Wheels
    http://www.feedingamerica.org/?show_nce=1 - Feeding America

    10.03.08 - 11:46 AM
  • 886. Anonymous said:

    I'd offer each a ride to the nearest food shelter and addiction center, respectively...leaving my money & a few canned goods with the food center.

    10.03.08 - 11:47 AM
  • 887. Angela said:

    Absolutely. Food is very important to the living especially the poor kids. As for the crackhead, maybe they'll overdose and we'll have one less druggie on the streets.

    10.03.08 - 11:48 AM
  • 888. Anonymous said:

    I would not. Like a few others have said, I don't think that donating money in either scenario would be productive in solving any problems. I encounter dozens of homeless people every day. Some whom panhandle with babies or small children. I have chosen not to give money to homeless people. I always give my leftovers, and sometimes will buy them a sandwich, but I never give money. I prefer to donate my money to charities such as United Way, or to donate time or money or food to the homeless shelter through my church.

    For the overwhelming majority of those who responded yes... can we assume you are always handing out money to those you see in need? What are you currently doing to make sure children are not going hungry? Because my experience is that 95% of people are not handing out money to the people on the street.

    And - atleast in big cities (I am in Chicago), there is absolutely no excuse for the homeless, especially homeless children, to go hungry. There are so many programs in place to avoid this. Therefore, I would rather donate to these established programs, which in turn help to avoid the above mentioned scenario. My donation goes further that way.

    10.03.08 - 11:54 AM
  • 889. Madeline said:

    as if the mortality of this "crackhead" is any more of a waste than our ramblings of our moral intent, on the comment board of a woman who hardly works for a nice, nice living.

    give or don't give. fucking simple.

    do not pull out and dust off your soap boxes, don't point your fingers, just shut up, and do what your claiming your going to do. or stop claiming.

    everyone is hoping someone will give them kudos or an "Amen!" your intentions will soon be lost and archived, and the only thing that will ever be able to speak for you are yor actions.

    10.03.08 - 11:54 AM
  • 890. Krista said:

    To those who've said that crack only hurts the crackhead, then you've never had one in your family. The drug (any of them) hurts not only the user but everyone around them, including their own kids. After years of being taken advantage of by my crackhead sister whose "kids were hungry", I no longer give cash to crackheads or to hungry families. I'll give food or transportation to a needy family or person any day of the week. I'll go with them to pay a bill to keep the lights on. But I will never give them cash. It's hard enough to support my own clean-living family. I don't have the extra time or money to waste on people who care about nothing but destroying themselves and everyone else they come into contact with.

    10.03.08 - 11:55 AM
  • 891. Thumper said:

    Feeding a kid trumps worrying about a crackhead. I wouldn't even have to think about it.

    10.03.08 - 11:55 AM
  • 892. Anonymous said:

    I think I would have to take the family and buy them some groceries and if the crack addicts wanted food, I would buy that also.

    10.03.08 - 11:57 AM
  • 893. Anonymous said:

    Crack-heads are people too.... they have families, and emotions, and lives. They have an addiction, and a disease. I think it is terrible to assume the world would be better off if they "overdosed, and there was one less crack-head on the street." Wow. While I am personally not in favor of contributing to their addiction, I do not think they are better off dead.

    10.03.08 - 11:58 AM
  • 894. jenny said:

    Yes.

    10.03.08 - 11:58 AM
  • 895. Courtney said:

    Nope.

    10.03.08 - 11:59 AM
  • 896. Rosane said:

    Yes, without a doubt.

    Rosane.

    10.03.08 - 11:59 AM
  • 897. anh said:

    Congress has just voted this morning to feed the kids with the crackhead option.

    I concure even though I still have reservations as we will be mortgaging our futures with the passage of this bill.

    10.03.08 - 12:01 PM
  • 898. Pgh Parrothead said:

    Hard question but I would have to give the money.

    10.03.08 - 12:04 PM
  • 899. nicole said:

    about 'taxes going only to support programs endorsed by bleeding heart liberals' and 'taxes providing no specific object of gain' . . .
    we drive on ROADS, have WATER and ELECTRICITY provided to our doorsteps, use POST OFFICES, send our children to SCHOOL, can call 911 in an emergency and have POLICE and FIREMEN to look out for us. We have a MILITARY protecting us. We have COURTS to provide justice.

    THIS SHIT ISN'T FREE, FOOLS!!!!!

    yeah, taxes don't pay for anything except bleeding heart liberal programs.

    10.03.08 - 12:05 PM
  • 900. Janice said:

    Without hesitation I would give the money. How can anyone ignore hungry children? Or hungry senior citizens? Or hungry middle-agers? Or hungry 20-somethings? Or hungry...

    10.03.08 - 12:05 PM
  • 901. Jamie said:

    Perhaps I would do it - probably more times than not - but it would be my CHOICE to do it and not something that the government tells me to do. (I'm assuming this is a veiled political question getting at the point that helping the needy is worth the negative side-effects of doing so.) That would allow me to help others when I have the means to do so, and not strap me with the burden at the times when I am struggling myself and honestly cannot afford to help others. (At which times, hopefully others will pick up the slack.)

    I think you would be surprised at the amount of charity that would come from most Americans if they were able to choose the programs/people that benefit from their good will rather than being forced into this kind of charity with such an insane condition.

    10.03.08 - 12:08 PM
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