For better, for worse
I wanted to post this episode of Momversation and open it up for discussion here because it's not usual for me to have such a different opinion than that of the other panelists, and in this case it's not so much of a different opinion than it is a different experience. What's more difficult, motherhood or marriage? And when I thought about this question it was pretty clear cut for me. I mean, six months into parenthood I checked myself into a mental hospital. That's a pretty good indication that the software was not compatible with my operating system.
Whereas my marriage has caused its fair share of wrinkles, but it hasn't ever made me consider checking out of life.
In the original videos that I submitted to this conversation I go into my reasoning a bit more, but the constraints of the Momversation platform sort of make it impossible to include all the footage, and this is perhaps my only complaint about this project. Sometimes a key point or explanation is edited out or sentences are cut in half, and what I originally hoped to get across is compromised. In this instance I wish they had left in the part where I talk about how much easier motherhood has gotten for me, how the instincts I thought would kick in immediately took their damn sweet time and I had no idea what I was doing for about a year. Those instincts finally did settle in, and when I look back at those first few months the memories have the same tone and color as the memory of being dropped into a pool not knowing how to swim.
I think a lot of it has to do with the fact that I really had no experience with babies, whereas before I got married I dated a wide variety of men, some hairy, some bald, many of them gay. I'd lived with men before, had shared my stuff, had compromised my tastes and time to make things work, and so I understood what kind of energy it requires to make a relationship last. And when I started dating Jon I knew that he was the person with whom I could make it work, with whom I wanted to make it work.
This does not mean my marriage is easy by any means, and in the original footage I talk about the many years of therapy we have been in personally and together as a couple. Our therapist has been paid a lot of money to teach us to tell each other, hey, stop treating me this way, you're not meeting my needs, I feel this way when you act like that. And yes, my nose scrunches up like that often when we have those types of discussions. And the argument usually ends with Jon going OH MY GOD I'M MARRIED TO YOUR GRANNY.
And while motherhood has become so much more natural to me there is still so much uncharted territory ahead, and I find that each age is so different than the one that preceded it that sometimes, although infrequently, it feels like we're starting from the beginning all over again. Sure, there are similar surprises in marriage, but right now almost eight years into our relationship I feel like what we share is the rock I use to stabilize myself when being jarred by everything else around me.
I'm curious about your experiences. Do you find one is easier than the other? (And since some of us aren't allowed to marry the ones we love let's extend the discussion to relationships in general.)
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Daddy Scratches said:
Can dads comment on this one?
[I'll pretend Heather answered "Why, of course!"]
Hmmmm ... let's see ... is sharing an abode with an adult female who is (mostly) willing to have sex with me on a semi-regular basis easier or more difficult than 15 hours per day spent dealing with screaming, whining, crying, breaking up fights, getting covered in partially eaten food and snot, and wiping someone else's ass?
I'll get back to you on that.
01.07.09 - 01:42 PM / 1emily said:
No question about it: parenthood is harder than marriage.
I must include the caveat, though, that marriage is only easier if your partner is a good friend of yours and someone you genuinely like. I'm so happy that's the case with you, Heather, and it's certainly the case here.
Glad you enjoyed the Oy To The World CD!!!!
Emily (and Robert)
01.07.09 - 01:43 PM / 2dooce said:
Why, of course!
01.07.09 - 01:44 PM / 3Meg said:
This is a very tough one for me.
Overall, I have to say that parenting comes easier than being married. Though on a day to day basis, being a parent is much more frustrating.
01.07.09 - 01:44 PM / 4elizabeth_k said:
I commented on the Momversation, too -- I agree with you that marriage is easier, so far, but both are so joyous and delightful that it is hard to choose. But those first few months with a baby: Man, those are stunningly hard.
01.07.09 - 01:45 PM / 5Kalisa said:
I used to think the motherhood part was easier, but now that he's 15 it's gotten a lot harder. For one thing, your teenager doesn't really appreciate you sharing everything they go through with the whole world wide web, so you don't even have that open forum of the "mommy blog" anymore. For another, the teen years are just HARD. They can be unspeakably sad and painful and it is so devastating to watch your child have to go through that.
01.07.09 - 01:45 PM / 6natalie said:
both are a never ending work in progress. a spouse you can lean on, and support is always nice, while a child - well, you're their support even when you're weak. so i would agree, raising a child would be more difficult - but both equally fun.
01.07.09 - 01:46 PM / 7The Dalai Mama said:
I too have had a much more difficult time adjusting to parenthood than I did to wifehood. I feel very blessed to have found my husband who is a perfect match for me. We rarely fight--he is an awesome communicator. I am often the one who doesn't want to talk. This is not to say that there aren't things that we disagree on, but we both know and are committed to our marriage in a way that allows us to have enjoyed 12 years of bliss with just a few minor moments of irritation/anger with the other.
Parenting gets easier but so does marriage as we learn the other person's ins and outs, etc it all gets easier, but from the start marriage was easier--at least for me.
01.07.09 - 01:46 PM / 8Jill S. said:
Oh my God, being a mom is SO MUCH HARDER than being married. Just my .02 ...
01.07.09 - 01:46 PM / 9Abi said:
Marriage is definitely more difficult for me. It is more emotionally challenging and demanding. I agree with Alice Brady when she said that its clear what your duties are as a mother. Feed child, change diaper, play, nourish, teach, etc. It doesn't seem to be as simple or clear cut with marriage. The needs and wants seem to be more complicated... or perhaps I just haven't learned or acquired the tools to make it seem not-so-complicated?
01.07.09 - 01:48 PM / 10Andrea said:
I wish I had a clear cut opinion on this but since I'm not married nor have a child I can't validate either difficulty. But just the idea of marriage seems immensely difficult to me for some reason. Just the thought of living day in and day out with the same person for the rest of your life. My heart palpitates thinking of it.
01.07.09 - 01:49 PM / 11Monkey said:
With my first kid, I would have said parenting was more difficult. With my first marriage, I would have said marriage was. (Ha!) I don't see either as more difficult than the other now, having the experience in both. I learned from each "first" on what worked, what didn't, what my boundaries were, and basically how to cope with problems ranging all over that spectrum. Not to say I'm an expert, but I learned how to pick and choose my battles in both wars and take it all in stride.
01.07.09 - 01:49 PM / 12thom said:
i'll be honest, i'm terrified of both.
but i love kids and i love my girlfriend of 2 years, so i have a feeling that i'm gonna make it, no matter what challenges there are.
and thanks to you, heather, for always starting the conversation.
01.07.09 - 01:50 PM / 13Anonymous said:
I am happily married and it's not hard at all. Parenting on the other hand scares the crap out of me and I'm gonna remain childless because I know I can't do it. so from a not parenting person you parents ROCK!
01.07.09 - 01:50 PM / 14Anonymous said:
My vote: Motherhood has been MUCH more difficult than marriage.
Marriage is also a creature which needs constant work, but the kid thing blew my circuits in the early stages.
I, like you, lacked the software to get it in the beginning. It didn't help that my first was quite difficult (again, similar to your situation). I consider myself to have grown into an excellent mother and have two thriving young adults to show for it.
Interestingly, now that they're driving, and exposed to all of the demons of the college years, the anxiety I had in the first couple of years is returning. I'm losing control over their safety and it's not easy for me.
01.07.09 - 01:51 PM / 15SideShowRob said:
This is a super difficult question - considering I am not in a relationship at the moment. Obviously my marriage failed - but it wasn't due to us not being able to 'make it work'. There were outside influences let's just say. Regardless, I did enjoy being married and I enjoyed working at it. So I have to say motherhood is harder for me. Every day it seems like a struggle that I have to learn how to deal with. Relationships come a lot more naturally to me. I think it is truly a personality difference - some just 'take' to motherhood very naturally. I am not one of those! It has been work since day one, but work I am glad I am doing in the end of course.
01.07.09 - 01:51 PM / 16Amy said:
they are both pretty hard. I grew up with lots of kids around me. I was the youngest so my brother's had kids way before I was even married and I had a lot of experience helping out with the kids so I was pretty prepared when I finally had a baby of my own. That's why I would have to say that marriage is harder for me than parenting. I married an only child who never lived with a woman before me and figuring that whole thing out was much more difficult for me than figuring out why my baby was crying.
but it has worked out so far, so I think we have things pretty under control (for now).
01.07.09 - 01:53 PM / 17Milla said:
love you, heather! i haven't yet been married or parented, but i'm guessing that marriage will be much harder than parenthood, because i don't know of people divorcing their kids, just their spouses. that speaks volumes to me.
01.07.09 - 01:54 PM / 18Ariel said:
Being a mother felt natural, for the most part- whereas being married to my daughter's father was miserable- but he was high continually once we got married, so I don't know how that would have been different had he been a clean sober human being.
I'm getting married to a wonderful guy in July who loves me, loves my daughter and we all fit together in a way that feels right. We live together- so mostly we feel like we are married. I find being a mother MUCH easier with a partner who is involved.
01.07.09 - 01:54 PM / 19Maya said:
I'm not a mommy, but for a very good reason. I don't think that I'm cut out for it. I work with children each day. I'm thankful to send them home at the end of the day. Parenting isn't something I think I'm qualified to sign on for full time.
I read a book that I think you would find interesting Heather - Operating Instructions by Anne Lamott. It was the first book(memoir) about parenting that I read that didn't make things sound like instinct would take over and all would be fine.
01.07.09 - 01:55 PM / 20Shannon said:
Heather- Welcome back and Happy New Year
I think you're hysterical! And I couldn't agree with you more. I think when it comes to motherhood I'm clueless. It's much easier being in a relationship with my husband than it is a ten month old whose only language is crying. After I've gone through a laundry-list of things that might be wrong with him, than and only then have I maybe figured it out.
01.07.09 - 01:55 PM / 21Dee said:
I still don't know the answer. When my first child was born I appeared to be a natural mother and my marriage was also stable. When my second came along, both areas of my life were in turmoil. Neither was easy. I doubted my mothering ability - how could I not instinctively know what this second child needed like I did the first time. And who the hell did my husband think he was having needs of his own. Couldn't he see that I was falling apart? Was it my marriage or becoming a parent? All I know is that it was a lot of work and worth every bit of it.
01.07.09 - 01:55 PM / 22cj coats said:
Marriage is way harder. My kids came OUT OF ME. Daddy is just some dude I met on the internet. We have a good laugh about it when he's at work!
01.07.09 - 01:56 PM / 23Cammie said:
Being a mom is much more difficult for me. I think part of the reason is that I'm trying to help shape the people my children will grow into while I'm just enjoying the person my husband already is. I imagine that if I was in a relationship with a person who didn't have the same values and beliefs as me, or who was just a total ass, it would probably be harder to for me to be a wife!
01.07.09 - 01:56 PM / 24Anonymous said:
MARRIAGE has GOT to be easier! Although, I am biased due to the fact that I have yet to procreate.
I'm super happily married, but at 26 years of age and without a maternal bone in my body, I doubt that road is for me - seems wayyy too scary. Besides, wasn't it Aristotle that said "Children are but mere sex trophies"? j/k ;)
01.07.09 - 01:57 PM / 25Lynn Gorham said:
For me, motherhood is harder, hands down, but it's getting easier. My first marriage, which produced my now-7-year-old ["And a HALF," she'd interject], was a disaster of epic proportions. She's the only thing we did right. Well, maybe some of the home remodels and trips we used to distract ourselves from the fact that we were Israel and Giza could come in as honorable mentions.
My first three years with her were awful. First, I wasn't completely certain I wanted to BE a mom (she was the product of goodbye sex). Next, she didn't speak for, like, 20 months, and I never quite got the gist of Baby. She was a very happy baby, yet I still felt inadequate in meeting her needs. Also, I suffered from pretty severe postpartum depression, which left me kicking holes in walls, etc. etc. My divorce further complicated matters, as we have joint custody, and my ex has just recently decided that I'm not such a bad mommy after all. Once she started talking and being able to express her feelings in a manner other than biting, screaming, and pouring grape juice all over my leather seats, mommyhood got easier. Now, we understand each other, which means we know exactly how to push each other's buttons, and how to remedy the reaction that comes. It's gotten so much easier. And that's why I intend to keep my one-and-done promise. I can't imagine going through the hell of infancy and toddlerhood ever again.
I recently conversed with a woman who's a world-renowned child psychologist, who says that the first three years set a child's personality and life track in place. All I can say to that is, Lauren, I'm sorry, and send me your psychiatry bills. Then again, this same expert told me not to worry because a parent's only job, really, is to fuck up their kids and keep her in business.
Now, I'm engaged to be married, and while the relationship is tricky because he has a special needs child and weekend visitation, we're doing it so much better. First of all, we actually have chemistry, and compatibility. And we can talk about anything in our indoor voices, even if it's touchy. I think the stability of our relationship can be credited to our mature ages at which we met (37, which is 50 years older than when I met my ex, at age 23), some counseling and drugs, good drugs. It's a walk in the park compared to mommyhood.
Lynn
01.07.09 - 01:58 PM / 26Laurie said:
Parenthood has been much harder for me than marriage. When I got married I had known my husband for more than four years and we had lived together for more than three years. We had a baby less than a year after getting married. Marriage feels like a continuation of something that is already there and solid. As a parent I first felt like my entire world was turned on its axis never to be righted again. Now that my son is fifteen months old I do feel I've found my footing to a degree but I know as he keeps changing I'll have to keep finding my balance.
01.07.09 - 01:59 PM / 27dmatthews said:
I think being a parent is harder. You have to try to understand the child you made. What there needs are and no child is the same what makes one happy might not be the same for the other. Where marriage is you pick that person and you are friends and you love them because you chose to. Were having a child is you get what you get a don't pitch a fit!
01.07.09 - 01:59 PM / 28bohica said:
For me, marriage is tougher. I think I EXPECTED that I wasn't going to know what I was doing with my children, so every time I was successful at something, it was just a bonus. Each time I did something naturally, I was thrilled. Eventually it all came easier. Marriage just continually throws me curve balls. My own illness, his issues, our issues at the same time: what the HELL. Just when I think I have it all figured out, something else comes up. The difference is that with parenthood, I don't EXPECT more. With marriage, I expect him to have some intrinsic knowledge (my bad), or that we'll break into some sort of conversation that will miraculously explain our differences.
Still waiting.
01.07.09 - 01:59 PM / 29Acher said:
I have no kids yet, but am fully expecting motherhood to kick me in the ass, especially since my marriage is pretty much a piece of cake. Oh yeah, and I was a good kid and my hubby was a hellion, so I am quite sure that I will get paid back for EVERYTHING HE DID.
I should add, though, that though my marriage is great now, I think that's only because we got all the crap out of the way before we ever even got married. We started dating freshman year in college, and fought like crazy during school. We graduated, got out of said fraternity and sorority houses, and discovered that we really liked each other! He's my best friend, and I his (he did admit that to me) and for us, it makes the petty arguments easier to get over, and the big stuff easier to discuss.
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