For those who live with those like me
Yesterday Jon posted what I think is one of the best things he's ever written on his website about what it's like this second time around. A snippet:
My therapist told me a couple of years ago that she thought I suffered from Post Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD) around pregnancy because of what we went through as a couple in 2004. I tend to believe her...
In 2007 we tried and were successful in getting Heather pregnant. She miscarried at 10 weeks and suffered some postpartum depression, which was totally understandable, but made me question if I had the reserves to handle severe postpartum depression again. I wanted to gear up for when we tried again. Once Heather’s system regulated and we decided we wanted a summer baby we went for it again and now we have our beautiful, sweet Marlo. Who deserves all the love and generosity we’ve shared with Leta.
If you haven't read the piece he wrote a couple of months after that miscarriage about what it's like to live with someone who suffers from chronic depression, you should definitely give it a look:
As a heterosexual man attracted to a woman, I have a range of emotions and ways of dealing with whatever life throws my way. One of those things is to look at a problem and want to fix it. Men like to be fixers, for the most part, and this is great for things like a clogged drain or dead car battery. Also great if the satellite dish isn’t picking up the latest “Nature is Sad” show on the educational channel because it’s buried in snow. It is not so great if your partner needs for you to help her by listening...
I’ve really had to stop myself and let it go. I have to tell myself that I need to LISTEN and to tell myself to SHUT UP. It’s doubly important when somebody is anxious or depressed and needs to get it out. I have only met a few men who are great listeners, and those were professionals I was paying to listen.
So. Listen.
I was interviewed a couple of days ago for a small piece about the Forbes thing for a local news station, and during the interview one of the questions triggered a response I haven't been able to articulate yet, that this pregnancy and delivery and now living with two kids... there are days when my love for Jon is almost unbearable, and I am so lucky and thankful to have him in my life. And I have glimpses and memories of those heady, crazy times when we first got together in the sweltering Los Angeles summer of 2001 when we were having sex all day every day YES I JUST WENT THERE and sometimes I look at my two little girls and I can't believe that here I am eight years later and I'm sitting next to Jon Armstrong.
Jon, I love you so much.
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1. Erica said:
That's beautiful, and I can only imagine. Thank you for sharing.
2. Rena said:
This is such a sweet post!
3. Milla said:
i love Jon, too! (does he have a brother?)
4. Valerie W said:
Such a romantic, lovely post. I know exactly what you mean. Yay for amazing men.
5. Erin said:
Maybe your next book can be about how love works.
6. Megan said:
You are a blessed mama and wife!!
7. Richelle said:
You are both amazing people! Thank you for sharing your lives with us!
8. Anonymous said:
Eighth!
9. Maeve said:
Love this post Heather! You both are so well-articulated!
10. Erin said:
Chills!! Such a sense of appreciation and respect you two share for one another. You guys are gonna make it!
11. becky said:
The love that you two share gives a hopelessly single gal like myself hope...
12. Anne said:
I read his post yesterday and was once again blown away at how perfect you guys are together and being able to show that relationships take hard work with the love. Thanks for sharing, both of you. :) You guys are an amazing couple.
13. jive turkey said:
Sometimes just listening is the hardest "simple" thing you've ever had to do.
And I feel the same way about my husband (it's our anniversary today). I can't believe I'm lucky enough to still be sharing my life with him.
14. Cat said:
You guys are so lucky to have each other. I'm all choked up!
15. Anonymous said:
I love the energy of people in love. Really in love. Through all the crap that you have to constantly wipe off your shoes, you two are doing it right. Thank you for showing us the good, bad and the ugly. It's all lovely.
16. Elizabeth_K said:
It was a wonderful post by Jon, and a wonderful response by you. Truly a blessed marriage.
17. Carly said:
Not only are you lucky to have each other, you're lucky to both have the ability to express those thoughts to each other so beautifully.
18. lauren said:
i love how he loves you and you love him. i pointed my husband to his blog after i read that yesterday. he and jon are so similar and although we dont have children yet, he has been stuggling with my manic depression lately.
the two of you are a light in our tunnel.
19. Alex Awesome said:
I love reading Jon's blog. It always reminds me how important men are - as partners and fathers - in our lives. His thoughtfulness and overwhelming love come through loud and clear. You're a wonderfully lucky person and so is he. Thanks for sharing all of this.
20. Emily said:
Heather,
When I read Jon's post yesterday, I felt so much love coming from him. I commented about my feelings for the post, but I just wanted to tell you thank you for opening yourself up to the internet. You and Jon. No one has to do that, and for me, it's incredibly touching to read about this. It's also a learning tool for the day (if it comes) that I have children. If I ever had parents half as cool as y'all, I'd be a very happy spawn. (Hah, although I love my parents.)
Your July banner is beautiful and truly speaks the comfort and love seriously emanating from your home. (I know, I sound hippy-dippy but seriously, your posts speak a lot of happiness after Marlo's birth.) Congratulations and thank you.
21. SwedishPankakes said:
So great! I really love how you two are going strong. Keep it up!
22. Anonymous said:
I thought it was an awesome article too, I don't have kids but I read it yesterday and thought it was so well said.
23. SEL said:
You just made me cry in my lunch...
24. Tasha said:
I got tears in my eyes. That was very sweet.
25. Becky..Absent Minded Housewife said:
In these days of Fireproof, Love Dare, Mars vs Venus, Five Love Languages and other silliness, it just goes to show that when love gets simple it gets great.
26. Sheila said:
Beautiful!
You are all very lucky to have each other.
27. Zoe said:
Guh!!! A married couple who actually express their love for one another. There is hope. I don't mean for that to sound nihilistic or anything; it's just that it seems so much more common to hear about the shortcomings, the difficulty, the imperfections of a relationship (especially a marriage), and it is really freaking refreshing to hear from the other side. It sort of renews my faith in love and makes me think, okay, neat, I won't have to be an old, lonely cat lady (though I can if I want to). I will find someone (I am only twenty, so I've got a while I guess). And it will be awesome. Epic-ly awesome. Like you guys.
28. Tina Babb said:
You are very lucky to have a husband who is willing to listen and help you out. Some of us have the "It's all in your head and you can get over it" husbands.
29. Serial said:
I wish I was having a better day, so I could just be happy for you guys rather than get all angry about not being able to find MY John.
Effing PMS.
30. Julie said:
Jon's post yesterday seemed like an amazing observation resulting from years spent working on an already great relationship. You two have different ways of processing and seeing things, but it is so clear you both work so hard on this. Thanks to each of you for sharing such an honest journey. Yeah - I used the word "journey" without any irony or vomit in the back of my mouth.
31. Tabitha - From Single to Married said:
What a sweet guy he is, glad he's been so supportive of you and even more happy for your new Marlo!!
32. Jocelyn Stott said:
You just made me cry - right here at my desk at work. I am so happy for your happiness.
33. Alexa Beth said:
This made me bawl like a damn baby and also pose the question - when you have a mental illness, how do you bring it up to someone you're seeing?
It's not like anything else. If you have divorced parents or are an orphan or if someone in your family has a mental illness, it's easier to talk about because it isn't you.
When it's you, how and when is the right time/way to bring it up when you're navigating the beginning of a relationship?
Any thoughts?
34. Anonymous said:
Beautiful. I hope one day to have what you do in life. Love, support, family, and a partnership with someone that is considerate and respectful. Congrats on #26. Your amazing!
35. Sarah said:
I really hope to have, one day, what you and Jon have together. Even the crazy dog.
36. Amanda said:
Very sweet. I met my Husband in 2001, and we now have two beautiful boys. I often feel the exact same way.
37. Attilla the Mum said:
That has to be the most beautiful post you (and Jon) have ever typed. I teared up, it's true! Ya'll are so lucky to have each other, but I believe it was meant to be that way. We find those people we're meant to share our lives with.
38. Labradoris said:
Isn't it a wonderful feeling? :)
39. Kristen from MA said:
Yep, he's a keeper alright. :D
40. Becky said:
Beautifully said. I feel exactly the same way about my husband--can't believe those two teenagers (dear lord) who were all over each other in college are now the ringleaders of this four-person circus. I love every minute.
I'm so glad you guys are finding your new rhythm!
41. Kristan said:
Crap now I'm crying... That's rather embarrassing at work!
As I wrote on Jon's blog, I'm so happy for y'all. The whole world (or at least those of us that matter :P) has fallen in love with you. Thanks for showing us there are happy endings, even if there are dragons too.
42. Rose said:
Awesome. I long for that :)
43. deb said:
I read the post by Jon and living with someone who lives with depression, excellent. I've been depressed for most of my adult life and my husband has a very difficult time with it. I told him that there is not a day that goes by that I don't work on not being depressed. It's a hard way to live.
Take care of yourself woman.
44. sarah said:
ehem, there's something in my eye.
Listen.
that's incredibly beautiful and simple.
45. Anonymous said:
I am sharing Jon's blog with my husband. I don't often pause long enough to wonder what it must be like to live with me, as I am usually angry at him for not understanding.
Thank you.
46. Dayna said:
Awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww! That's about as articulate as I can be about both yours and Jon's posts. As a fellow "crazy", and one who is fortunate to have an understanding husband as well, I send much appreciation to you both for writing about it openly.
I think you're next book should be called, "Crazy Mofo Women...and the Men That Love Them." It should be a book with submissions from your readers, edited and commented on by you. =)
47. Janet said:
Heather, both you and Jon deserve all the love and happiness you have found with each other.Thank you for sharing (much of) your life with us. Blessings.
48. Ashley said:
Oye, you just made me cry at my desk.
49. Lorena said:
This was beautiful. Thank you so much for sharing.
Sometimes it's just as wonderful to read the things that aren't necessarily funny, to read the things that are lovely.
(But don't stop the funny. I'd die.)
50. Shelly said:
awww. I hope I have the love you two have someday..
51. Natasha said:
This post brought tears to my eyes right here @ my desk. I'm really glad that you both have found that all encompassing love for one another that knows no bounds. Leta and Marlo are very lucky little girls...growing up surrounded by all that love.
52. Jackie said:
I loved Jon's post and I love this one too - you guys are incredible! I can only hope that I find the same love you two have. I am 28, currently single, and totally baby hungry, but that's ok because I know what I am holding out for :)
53. Bert Bell said:
I am a support person for a friend who is Bipolar & Borderline personality. what Jon said basically sums up a support person's role.....just listen. What a lovely marriage and family you have. Many blessings!
54. Caitlin said:
Heather,
THank you again for being open and honest. I wish for so many people that they could escape the fear and shame over GETTING HELP for depression. It is a disease to be managed, just like any other ailment, and asking for help is one of the bravest and selfless things you can do for yourself and loved ones.
I always enjoy your Jon-heavy posts! I hope someday I find a man as loving and dedicated as him; the love you two have for each-other is a joy to witness, even through a computer screen.
55. Layne said:
You gave me goosebumps! I gushed enough commenting on Jon's post yesterday, but here I am again all sentimental and teary-eyed. And this is worth repeating here: I truly admire the life you and Jon have built. Thank you for sharing it with your legions.
56. Kate F. said:
Well, shit. That made me tear up, Heather. How very poignant and sweet! *off to hunt the tissues*
57. Hilary said:
LOVE IT. It always sounds so great to hear a woman say she loves her husband (and vice versa). I hate it when people bash their partners to others.
58. Mary@Holy Mackerel said:
Heather, I so know where you're coming from with all this. Jon is a keeper, as are you.
My husband too deserves the big gold medal for putting up with me and my many issues all these many years we've been together. My issues are both physical and mental, but for some reason, he's stuck by me, and I am so grateful for it. Our guys are the best.
59. Mama B said:
Great post and great insight on both your parts. Wonderful for you that you feel such deep love for your husband after all you have been through together. And thank HIM for saying "Just listen". Congrats to you both.
60. Gina said:
I think that you can safely say that you two have gone through the wringer and emerged a little torn up but much stronger for it. You two suit each other so well; your kids are lucky to have you both as their parents.
61. Katherine said:
I have to say, I'm not married yet, nor do my fiance or I have any depression/mental illnesses. But those posts from Jon were SO encouraging. I liked reading a man's point of view on the work a relationship takes. It makes me realize what I have to do as well, and makes me want to stop and listen more to his needs.
I, too, need to be asked several times if something is wrong before I'll answer, even though it's fairly obvious when it is. Now I know how he feels and what he needs. Thank you Heather, for directing us to those, and to Jon for having the courage to post them!
62. Mandy said:
Having another baby has made you mushy.
I like it. This post was very sweet.
63. Kerstin said:
After going through (barely that is...) severe PPD after our daugther was born and suffering crazy posttraumatic stress syndrome when pregnant the second time around (which ended up in a miscarriage as well) I am amazed my husband was also willing to to try again and can share this feeling of amazing love for him. It takes very special men, right!?!
I hope this third pregnancy works out as well as yours - so far so good; I feel like I got all the crazyness and fear out of my system with the second pregnancy and am so very greatful - sure helps my husband to look more forward to everything too...
64. Eunice said:
Ahh! This post made me teary-eyed. You guys are the best!
65. The Dalai Mama said:
You are lucky and wonderful for noting that. You are lucky to have found that man who so perfectly compliments you. Reading this made me think back to my husband and his tremendous strength through all the failed fertility treatments and how when I broke down because I was "broken" he held me and told me that none of that mattered.
It is great to find that one who will put up with your shit, but also knows how to help you out of the shit and doesn't mind that you smell bad when it's all over.
66. Kate said:
Jon's a good man. You and he are very lucky to have each other. :)
67. Eveline said:
I have a boyfriend who listens and you just made me the most thankful girl in the world.
Thanks for sharing
68. R.Wallis @ TrueBeauty said:
You two share so much love for each other and your children. Its awesome! Great post!
69. Kelsey Jezierski said:
Awww... That's the sweetest thing I've ever heard...
I have those days. My husband and I have been married for 4 plus years...and it still seems like we just got married.
My husband is in the army and currently deployed to Afghanistan. There are days when all I want to do is stay in bed with the covers pulled up over my head. But I drag myself out of bed because our two year old daughter needs me. When I'm really missing Eric, all I have to do is look at Brooke and I see what the love of two people makes. It's perfect. Even when she's throwing a typical two year old tantrum and all I want to do is overnight her to her grandparents in Minnesota.
I am so thankful to have a husband like mine. Like yours, he has realized that all he needs to do is listen. There are some days where all of my frustrations have built up to the point of a violent explosion, but he knows that if he just lets me rant, rave, and bitch, when I'm done, I'll be fine. I love my husband because he recognizes that being a full time mom is a job in itself. He never expects the house to be spotless, dinner on the table by the time he walks in the door or for me to be little miss suzy homemaker. He does the dishes, he takes out the trash, he washes all of his own clothes and helps me with all of the household chores. He takes care of our family while fighting for this country's freedom. How could have I found a better husband and father for our children?
There are days where all I want to do is kick him in his man parts, but I take a step back, take a deep breath and realize that if I did that, he wouldn't be able to help me make anymore beautiful children. And then he goes and does something wonderful, like bring me flowers or clean out my car. :)
It's hard to find someone so completely compatible with you...so when you find them, hold on for dear life! It looks like we both found our perfect matches.
70. John said:
As a male reader of this site, I particularly enjoy the contrast of Jon's voice with Heather's when reading about their styles and relationship. Anyone who's found the love of their life can tell you that the answer to "what it is" or "what makes it work" is often too layered and complex for such a casual question. This post did as good a job as I've read of subtly alluding to it without compromising the private subtleties of the husband-wife bond. It made me cry. If that makes me a little gay today, I'm fine with it.
71. Kara said:
Oh goodness, that was beautiful, as was Jon's post yesterday. I love that you two can be open, honest, and real for the sake of other couples going through the same thing.
Kudos!!!! (And thanks a lot for making me teary-eyed again at work)
72. theishu said:
Awww...
73. Kelly said:
Beautiful posts, by both of you. Reminders (both) that there is so much to appreciate in our partners, kids and lives. Thank you, both of you, for being so honest and open.
75. Digibutter said:
This brought tears for me as well. When I read what Jon had posted it made me realize that you guys have an extremely amazing one of a kind love. You guys are so in love and I wish you all the best!
76. Lara said:
Awesome. I am grateful for your honesty in your life experiences Heather (and Jon). Keep on keepin' on.
77. chelsea said:
i cried a few happy tears at this. and my throat got all tight. i love love!
78. stephanie said:
What a wonderful, insightful husband you have...
you are a very lucky lady...
79. Devon said:
Of everything you've written, I think this is what I can relate to most. Thank you for sharing, and congrats on the Forbes mention! Go 26!!!!
80. sybann said:
WAAAAAH!
81. Cate Bell said:
I believe what you and Jon have is a truly rare thing.
We should all be so lucky.
82. Laney said:
Heather, I, too, thought Jon's post yesterday was his best ever.
I had read half of yours yesterday then got pulled away and later on read Jon's and then finished yours. Needless to say, I had tears of laughter (twenty-six, bitches!!!!) and tears of admiration and love. What a wonderful tribute to you, you and him, and you, him, Leta and Marlo.
I know you have heard it a millions times if you have heard it once, I am so thankful to have you all be a part of my day. Thank you.
83. katie said:
i remember reading that post of his about living with a girl who has depression...i need to make my husband read it this time.
you two really have something special going...congrats :)
84. Tracy said:
Interesting how the male mind works.
Nice to hear what a husband really thinks about pregnancy...the good, the bad and the ugly.
85. Candy said:
Jon, I think I love you too.
86. Brooke said:
My now fiance dealt with pretty severe anxiety about 4 months after we started dating. I was a freshman in college. Now, 6 years later, he's mostly fine, but there are still times that are a little iffy. When I see certain patterns, even if they are somewhat normal given the situation, my heart starts racing. I'm so glad things are going well for you guys too ;)
87. Renee said:
I hope its not rare and I don't believe it is. That's one of the reasons I enjoy reading this blog, and Jon's, because I see so many qualities of my own marriage, and the marriage of my parents. It's important to show the world how an intelligent, modern, honest couple that is truly in love acts. No one should settle for anything less than that.
88. Elaine Benes said:
I am so so very envious of your relationship together. You are not only lucky to have it, but you work at it.
89. Kateastrophe said:
You and Jon are an inspiration. You have overcome so much adversity in your relationship and yet somehow managed to keep both your senses of self and humor!
Thank you, Heather and Jon, for giving me a strong example of marriage that I hope to duplicate with my fiance!
90. Jen said:
Heather-from the first moment I started reading you, I've remarked on the relationship you and Jon have. I think it's brilliant, loving, comforting, challenging (in the sense that you each challenge each other to be better people), trusting, compassionate, passionate...all of the things any good relationship should be.
There are so few examples of healthy relationships in our society today, and so few opportunities to look at couples and say 'you know, they've really figured this whole relationship thing out'. Your relationship is one of those precious few and I am constantly inspired by your love. A lot of our friends look at my husband and I and say that we are the best couple they know--but you and Jon truly are our inspiration. I have never been able to articulate my feelings towards my own husband as clearly as you just have. Very well said.
91. Claire said:
Thanks for writing that. Thanks for sharing Jon' commments.
My husband and I are going through some challenges in our relationship. It's rough going sometimes, but we keep at it. Your post reminded me to keep the big picture in mind.
there are seasons to marriages, aren't there?
Claire
92. Armonia said:
W O W !
that's a great husband to wife love you moment; This is a beautiful way to scream out to the world how much he loves you.
very blessed and i'm very happy for you.
93. Jessie said:
It may just be because I'm about to start my period, but this made me feel choked up. Or maybe you articulate your feelings to where I can understand. Love is great. One of the best parts of being alive. Good for you.
94. Hokie Deb said:
-->What a nice exchange between the two of you. I don't think I could work from home with my husband. EVER.
Love him, but we need time AWAY from each other.
http://www.WebSavyMom.com
95. Karrie said:
Heather I loved reading that, it is a great testament to what marriage really is and should be. I am so in love with my husband as well and didn't expect to be because divorce and problems in marriage seem to surround me, I just figured I might feel that way eventually too. But I don't, after 12 years together I'm in deeper love with him than I thought possible. Jon sounds like an awesome husband and it is so plain to see his devotion and love for you.
96. Trish said:
True love is so beautiful, it hurts.
Thank you for sharing tidbits of your life with us. You are both amazing people.
97. Anonymous said:
First song on shuffle this morning was "All You Need is Love" and, crabby NYer on way to work that I was, I almost skipped it. Then I listened. It's sappy, it's simple, it's cliche. It's also true and joyous and eternal.
Love you both and all the joy you bring to the world.
Thank you.
98. Emily said:
This is really sweet but, I am dying for the other half of the birth story!! I check everyday, I am about to have my second and I desperatly want to know how it was different and what happened. Thanks for sharing you life!
99. Allegra said:
I've never commented before, but this is really beautiful and made me tear up at work. My partner of 5 years is moving cross-country in a few weeks, and we're going to try long-distance, ergh. I don't think I ever realized how much I love him until I had to think about all the little things he does everyday and how they won't be in my life anymore. You are a lucky woman, and Jon is a great man.
100. Gini said:
Thank you so much for sharing. I just began counceling for depression. I think I have had all my life, but I'm not really sure. That is something that I'm trying to figure out right now. And just having a baby six months ago and nursing doesnt help with my hormones still a little crazy. I am also married, but my husband has a really difficult time dealing with my depression and anxiety. I think what your husband wrote is so sweet and his devotion to you says so much. Right now I am paying someone to listen to me so that I can feel like a normal person again. And its frustrating. I rather talk to my husband. I'm glad to hear that you both have worked together to make things work for both of you. I liked what someone else commented..."its a great testament to what marriage really is and should be." I believe that too.
101. Cheryl said:
I felt exactly the same way about my husband after our second was born too. And a month later I was ready to murder him. And a month after that I was desperately in love again. Fucking hormones.
102. Keyona said:
It's nice to find that someone that can hold on with you.
103. Shalini said:
You are so lucky to have each other! And communicating that love to each other as well... the girls are so lucky to have 2 wonderfully in love parents!
104. Leesavee said:
Give that boy a great big smooch from everyone on the Internets!
As they say here in Maine, "He's a keepah!"
105. Bratfink said:
Wow. Awesome post, Dooce.
I cried.
106. tish said:
you two are great. i think deep down single gals are scared out of their minds that they'll never meet someone who can hang for the real times. you two have proven it's possible.
that just gave me another's day worth of hope. good job!
107. Barbara said:
You don't know me, but I love you two SO MUCH. Posts like this bring me to tears, and when I think about it, I guess it's because you two give me hope.
108. Red said:
your love is beautiful. thank you for sharing with us.
109. Aly said:
You guys are the reason I'm not giving up on love.. You both ROCK and are an inspiration to all of us who read your stories. Keep on rocking, Armstrongs!
P.S. Love the new hairdo, Heather!! More pics please..:)
110. kaitlynsage said:
Jesus fucking christ woman. Every time I get the husband/baby desire under control you write something like this and the invisible hands start to wring my heart and the "I need husbandbaby RIGHT NOW" juice starts to pour out and I have to go read bitchy articles on the frisky for the next three hours.
Egads.
But really, thank you. You and John are inspiring.
111. Katka said:
Heather, that was so beautiful...
112. kcbelles said:
Wonderful post, Heather. Made my teeth ache from the sweetness of it (and I mean that in a good way). It's so good to see such love between two people and to see it lasting. And I thank both you and Jon for sharing that part of your lives with us, your Internet audience. I find it amazing how captivated I am by your lives - I'm not a soap opera watcher, but I feel like you all are my own little personal soap that I just have to check in with daily to see how it's all going.
113. Roach said:
I totally relate! I love that I can. Jacob and I have four kids, been married almost 14 years in September and have been together since highschool. Sometimes I look over at him when I hear a Prince song(bringing back those memories of the early 90's), and think wow babe, look at us we made it through hell and back and are still so in love. Not alot of people can say that, we are so lucky!!
114. SAHM: Surviving Assorted Home Mayhem said:
* Awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww! *
Seriously, gotta show the love to the hubsters. Very sweet.
115. Anonymous said:
Great post. Jon's post about men liking to be fixers reminded me of the new song by Pearl Jam called "The Fixer." It was just released this week. Have you heard it? Based on the lyrics, I think it should be yours and Jon's new favorite song. It's very sweet. Here are the lyrics:
When something’s dark let me shed a little light on it
When something’s cold let me put a little fire on it
If something’s old I wanna put a bit of shine on it
When something’s gone I wanna fight to get it back again
Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah
Fight to get it back again
Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah
When something’s broke I wanna put a bit of fixin on it
When something’s bored I wanna put a little excited on it
If something’s low I wanna put a little high on it
When something’s lost I wanna fight to get it back again
Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah
Fight to get it back again
Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah
When signals cross I wanna put a little straight on it
If there’s no love I want to try to love again
I’ll say your prayers I’ll take your side
I'll burn as a way to make light
I'll dig your grave
We'll dance and sing
What's saved could be
One last lifetime
Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah
Fight to get it back again
Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah
116. Keep On S'myelin! said:
I read Jon's post yesterday and enjoyed the read. It was nice to see the other side of things....another perspective.
It sounds like the two of you have great energy together!
117. No.17 Cherry Tree Lane said:
I really feel like this was a tribute of sorts. Your love is deep and you can tell this by reading both of your blogs.
Thanks for sharing.
Rachel
118. Szilvia said:
Oh Heather!
I've been reading your blog (and have laughed out loud for real a whole bunch of times) for quite some time now, but this post got my tears rolling -so I had to comment!
Thank you both for sharing so much of yourselves and the journey of life you're on. It's amazing to watch as you develop and learn and even in the saddest moments, you always keep that glimpse of the hilarious woman that I think most of your followers love.
I've not only laughed and cried but I've also learned from the both of you. I wish you a future filled with exactly what you already have, love, family, laughter, reality and the drive to better yourselves as human beings.
Oh, and I LOVE your daily Chuck (and yes even Coco)!
/Szilvia
119. Nancy@ifevolutionworks.com said:
You're very lucky to have such great love in your life. Love....is everything.
120. Becca said:
That is so awesome. =)
I tend to think I don't want to get married b/c it seems so stifling and I know so many people in not-very-good marriages. Reading that post makes me want to rethink that.
So glad you're doing ok this time around, and yay for Jon. =)
121. Becky said:
His blog yesterday, yours today: They are why I said you two helped inspire my second novel. Thank you.
122. Bailey said:
Heather,
I am so happy for you and Jon both. I've always admired the way you two handle your marriage and family and having kids and all the problems that come with those things, and I was also very jealous for a long time because when I first started reading your blog I was divorced. I've dealt with depression for most of my life, and my ex-husband was one of those "just get over it" types who never listened. Since we divorced I found out that a lot of my depression was caused by Grave's disease, which was making my thyroid overactive. When the medicine kicked in for that it was like a miracle, I felt better than I had in literally decades.
But I still deal with depression some, especially lately, and I think a lot of is because my youngest just moved out - empty nest and all that, and I think this depression is a lot like PPD. Why does having children and then letting them go do such horrible things to us? Fortunately I got another miracle a couple of years ago - a man who listens and understands depression and who I love as much as you and Jon love each other. I thought my mom and dad were the last people on earth to have a good marriage, but now I finally have that, and I see that you and Jon do too, and it restores a little of my faith in humanity.
Thank you for sharing your lives with us, you have no idea how immensely helpful it is in so many ways.
123. Christie said:
You are much more articulate than you give yourself credit for.
Thank you for sharing. All of it.
124. Tara said:
Amen! I have similar ups and downs and my relationship with my husband parallels yours. I don't know what I did to deserve him...
125. lucinda said:
you both gave me chills and reduced me to tears. i am so glad that you both are doing well this time around. i understand how the love you have for jon can be unbearable. after my husband and i lost our 3 week old son in december, i can remember thinking to myself how much i loved my husband, that i loved him so much that is hurt. i cant imagine him not being the center of my world.
thanks for sharing your story with all of us!
126. Margaret B said:
Aww mama, that's so great. I know exactly how you feel, because that's how I feel about my husband and my baby's dad (just a few days younger than Marlo!). I'm so glad you get to have that same feeling. Just makes you a better mother, I think.
127. Dawn said:
Aw. That is sweet. I'm glad there are couples who actually feel this way about each other. It does give one room to hope.
128. Mommica said:
Welling up. Spilling over.
129. Tommy said:
yep,Jon pretty much rocks...if he had a gay brother I'd so wanna marry him
130. Lalala said:
I read Jon's post and it disgusted me. It was dripping w. hubris and privilige. I know lots of people who read personal blogs and have never read your stupid mommyblog. I even know some people who read mommyblogs and have never read your posts when you were crazy. I read your blog bc it think it's awful. Bully for you - enjoy the revenue from the page view. Jon made Leta seem like heinous bitch. Franly, after reading your blog, I have concluded that she is a heinous bitch. If I had spawn like that, I would make sure I was using BC on the regs. It's great that you have figured out how to beat the system. What about women who suffer from PPD who have to work? Or have husbands who have to work? What about single moms? I'm glad Jon can provide you w. the terrarium like conditions you need so you don't go off the deep end, kill yourself and kill your child. Rad. He's bitching about wearing a dirty tee-shirt to drop off Leta at school. I bet nobody gives a rats ass what he is wearing. What about the mother who suffers from PPD and has to drop off her kid w. a screaming infant in the backseat while her husband goes off to earn an income so he can provide for his family? I bet she ain't wearing Chanel to her kid's school. Wah wah, poor you. It's hard to be empathetic to a family who is so out of touch w. the majority of Americans.
131. Maggie May said:
I also have anxiety/depression, take a medication for it, recently had a miscarriage at 13 weeks and have my best friend and lover as my husband. I often write posts about our marriage because I find the complex, subtle and surprising truths about a marriage and love and children so fascinating and hopeful. Our three children watch us, I know. I know you and I are both setting them up with an internal foundation of what love is, what it looks like. The gentle and loyal support of my husband is one of the most profound things I've ever experienced.
132. Shnerfle said:
I can't tell you how wonderful it is that the two of you are so grateful for each other. From my own darkness, I wonder how much of it is real? Can two adults really be so understanding and supportive of each other? Can a man really try that hard to listen to his wife? To help her heal? Does it work? I look at the two of you, and I hope.
133. Lizard said:
I just wanted to say Thank You. I suffer from depression and your blog allowed me to be able to joke about it and not feel ashamed that I need medication. I haven't had kids yet but you give me hope that I will be able to handle it when the time comes.
134. MotherProof said:
What a gift for your daughters, to have two parents, so devoted to each other!
135. Denise said:
I had a crappy marriage, and am now divorced. I am so glad there are good marriages out there. Even tho I will never marry again, you guys give me hope that the institution of marriage is not really as awful as I think it is.
136. Tanya said:
You and Jon are so brave and generous sharing your both your highs and lows. It inspires me to become more open.
137. Anonymous said:
That is so sweet I almost teared... and I'm not a tearing kind of person.
Thanks Heather, for bringing so much pleasure into my life by sharing yours so sincerely through this blog.
138. Noelle said:
Awesome, thanks. I echo a lot of what's been said already... how it gives me hope, and makes me happy.
Congrats on finding your match.
139. Emily said:
Thank you so much for that. And now I may never let mine go.
140. MaNiC MoMMy said:
Oh my GOd, this is fucking awesome!
So true about the love you feel for a spouse after creating a beautiful family with him!
141. JBird said:
I think I'll pass that link to my husband, who's been putting up with my depression/anxiety since we met in 2001. Most of the time, I have NO idea how I'm treating him in the throes of an episode or how daunting it is for the other person living with it.
Such an inspiring post, and it certainly restores faith in humanity.
JBird
142. Not so glamorous housewife said:
I hear ya sister.
143. April said:
Thank you Heather! You inspire me to keep working on my communication. My husband and I have had difficulties with that since before we got married. Him being in the Army and frequently being gone has not made it any better and very little time to work on it together. I have thought about calling it quits several times because I get so stressed out with everything. Everytime I would tell myself I was no longer in love with him thinking I could fool myself. I love him more than anything and no matter how long he is gone I always want to be here when he comes home. Thank you again and I look forward to reading more in the future.
I agree with the others, your next book needs to be about marriage.
144. Dee said:
This is why I love to read your blog, Heather. You say what the rest of us are afraid to say. God bless you!
145. Anonymous said:
HAHA @ 130/Lalala. How sad of a person does one have to be to regularly read a blog that pisses them off so much? I only read the blogs of people I enjoy, but then, I guess I'm not a bitter person who gets off on anger and vitriol. And can we not play the Suffering Olympics? Everyone's pain is valid. To summarize: Go outside! Enjoy your life! Click the little 'x' in the corner!
146. Angie said:
Heather, Jon sounds so sweet. Every marriage has it's moments and irritations (lol), but you are so blessed. Congratulations on your newest edition. Leta was already four or so when I started following your blog, and I'm excited to get to be involved from the very beginning for Marlo's "Armstrong Adventure".
PS: Does Jon have a brother? If so, please send him to Texas...
:)
147. Danielle said:
Loooooong time reader and I am so happy for you both - I mean, all of you!!! And, oh! Those early days with the sex all day and only coming up for air long enough to eat and maybe shower... I miss them, I truly do. But like you and Jon, my husband and I are at a point in our lives where the love we have for each other now eclipses the early days on so many levels!
148. Laurel said:
Heather, I want your life! It's hard to get around the envy I feel when I read your blog sometimes, but you went through enough shit to deserve this happiness. You are one strong shit-ass-ho-motherfucker, and inspire me to be the same.
149. Anonymous said:
I don't think I suffer from depression, but I suspect my partner does. He only sought professional help at one point when I was ready to leave, but he never explored or considered medication as an option. I'm also not convinced he found the best professionals (neither is he), but you do what you can with the insurance you've got.
As far as I'm concerned, you (and Jon) are an inspiration to all of us who struggle in relationships - with or without mental health demons. Sometimes shit hits the fan and it is so so hard to get through it. Your commitment to each other is astounding. It makes me want to be better for my partner and to bring out the best in him.
As far as wackjob 130 is concerned: neither Jon nor Heather have claimed to have a monopoly on heartache or tragedy. All they can do (or any of us can do, really) is speak to our experiences, our obstacles and little (and monumental) victories. They're just sharing one perspective/way of life and are doing their best to manage it with humor and maybe even some grace. You should try to do the same.
150. Elisabeth said:
Beautiful post! I feel exactly the same way about my husband...We have 2 beautiful, crazy, full of life little girls and have been together for almost 11 years...I never knew if could be so good and that I could be more in love with him then before...
151. Kat said:
So lovely.
I'm so glad you're doing well. I just did my first over-the-phone intake to get into therapy, and while I'm really afraid, I'm also really encouraged by you and your blog. Thank you for being a voice for this. Thank you for being a voice for us.
152. mrs.notouching said:
Behind every #26 there is Jon.
153. Jennifer said:
You should write him love letters more often. And no...he didn't pay me to say that.
154. Jennifer said:
This is so sweet. And now I feel like I need to go and thank my husband for all his care and listening while I've been battling demons of my own.
155. highlyirritable said:
This kind of post is a good reminder to women that there are, indeed, warm and loving men in the world.
It is so true that the best thing a man can do for his children is to "love their mother."
It's a great feeling, isn't it?
156. Katie said:
Admissions of love are so uplifting, especially in a country where every other marriage fails. I too am with someone so respectful and supportive and caring and CALLS WHEN HE SAYS HE WILL. Roll your eyes, but it's nice to be able to admit it. And even nicer to know people like him(and Jon) exist in the world.
Thank you.
157. Tobias said:
I don't think I've ever commented before, but this is exactly the sort of thing I needed to read after the last 24 hours. Thank you.
158. NIcki said:
While it was a raw and loving post, and while it may have moved you more than other things he's written, it's not the best thing he's ever done. Not by a long shot.
159. Jayseaka said:
Great. I'm 11 weeks pregnant and now I'm crying like a baby. No really, that was a great post. You put feelings into words so well.
160. Dawn H said:
I have been reading your blog for some time now and have always found your insight thoughtful and hilarious. You are the type of person every one wants as their friend. But Heather, this post was so refreshing. Blessings on you and your family!
161. Jordan Rosenfeld said:
How slow am I that I only just realized Jon has his own blog??
Very elucidating from his point of view!
Now...back to Labor Story, Part 2???
162. Renee said:
What a wonderful man! It's so nice to see things from the male perspective from time-to-time! I think it helps us stay grounded when things start to spiral.
163. hoppytoddle said:
The week after I had come home from the hospital after having MiniMe was one of my favorite of our whole almost 9 years together. I can't wait to have this baby & have another week like that.
Congratulations on this. Even better than being declared #26, I would believe. Sheesh. Talk about reasons to NOT be depressed!
164. Mel said:
Thanks for reminding me that there is hope out there for that kind of love. So incredibly sweet. Thank you for sharing something so heartfelt.
165. Alex said:
I just read his whole post and it's refreshing to see that some men DO get it. I'm like you...my moods are normally only a reflection of what is going on in my head and have little to do with is actually going on. I internalize everything.
I'm not one of those wives who sit there asking "What are u thinking? What are you feeling? Blah blah blah". I live with the assumption that the man I've chosen to spend my life with kinda gets me, and I kinda get him.
It's great that there are good guys out there, who are willing to put up with us simply because they love us.
Ps. Bring on Labour Part 2, I'm due to give birth shortly and need squeamish details.
166. Mel said:
I read Jon's post via the link, then I read your post, then I cried a bit. As a mother of 2 girls with an amazing husband I adore, I get it.
BEAUTIFUL!!
167. Aisha said:
I got lucky with my Jon, in that he is a lot like yours. He has learned to listen, which has been a godsend so many times over. He's learned to ask questions, to let me internalize while still pushing me to externalize occasionally. He's learned to not get impatient when I spend twenty minutes recounting my rage or frustration or anxiety at something, which he used to suck at.
It's wonderful that you have such a wonderful man there for you.
168. stella said:
Wonderful post and I agree with you that Jon's post is one of his best. I teared up reading it and it made me thankful for the 'Jon' in my life. We are trying to have a baby after two miscarriages and after the way he held me up after the latest one, I know that he is going to be such a wonderful dad. I don't know how we got so lucky!
I am really anxious to hear about Part Two of your birthing story....I know that you are kinda busy but wanted you to know that your blog is one thing that I look forward to when I log onto my computer and I thank you for doing what you do.
169. mscyndi said:
You guy's are blessed to have each other in your lives. I am glad that Jon is so understanding about your depression. Depresseion is a hard thing to live with as I have it myself.
170. jenny McHugh said:
That made me teary. You two must be the sweetest couple I have ever read about online...when you aren't talking about poop. Maybe even then.
171. Kelly said:
Heather, I've been reading your blog for a while but never commented because you get a million comments and I never thought what I had to say would even matter. But I'm sitting here now, reading your post, and crying my eyes out. Four months ago I lost my baby at 18 weeks. I'm devasted, still today. I never stopped to think about how my husband was dealing with all this. All I know is that I'm devasted, and he is taking care of me. Taking such good care of me. I feel so lucky. How/why he picked me, I have no idea. We are both lucky, even in all this crap, I know I'm lucky.
172. Suzy said:
This has nothing to do with todays post, but more about the ones you have written over the past week or two. I will preface this by saying that the mere mention of vagina's and poop do not bother me at all, however, it seems like you are trying really hard to be as graphic and disgusting as you possibly can. I know such things bother your father and you get a kick out of that, but I think you're trying too hard at this point.
Over the past week, your posts have left me hoping that your father would haul off and slug you in the face for that.
Occasionally such posts are funny, but lately? Not so much.
173. Anonymous said:
As a sympathetic mother of two loud sleeping infant grunters...wondering if anyone has recommended/you have tried giving probiotics directly to Marlo? My acupuncturist gave me some specifically for my son and it seemed to work wonders!
174. Ferngoddess said:
Heather I read Jon's blog yesterday and wanted to tell you what an incredibly lucky woman you are but it looks you know just how blessed you are
175. the niffer said:
Love is so great. Thank you for sharing and making me weepy.
176. Dogmom said:
After reading Jon's post today, I was in awe at his ability -- and willingness -- to write about and post to the world how he felt about everything he'd gone through with what has happened in your lives, good and bad and tragic. Putting aside how lucky he is in finding you, which he really is, being a heterosexual woman who has never quite hit it big in the relationship game, I think you have won the Powerball lottery in finding Jon. All you girls are lucky and, of course, deserving of it, to have such a special man in your lives. He's a gem. And I know you know it. The best to you.
177. beth said:
You both have such an incredible way with words. I think Leta and Marlo are lucky to have two people so clearly devoted to one another as parents. As always, wishing your beautiful family good health and happiness.
178. Bridget said:
It's so good to feel happy for others. Thank you for sharing and letting me feel happy for you!
179. Caitlin said:
You know, even with everything that you have been through, I'd still like to be just like you when I grow up.
180. Lilliah said:
@172. Suzy:
I doubt she's trying too hard, Suzy- I believe that's just Heather's sense of humor. I think that, especially, when someone's life is currently involving a lot of, um, interesting biological occurances, they joke about those things. Maybe the joking just increases when the various types of bodily fluids and functions increases- I know that's true in my life! I mean, how else do you deal with so much poo?!
181. shelly said:
There are a lot of stupid people in this world. I am sorry that you are subjected to most of them. Politically we are worlds apart, medically we are very very close. I love reading your posts about your illness. I just called my Dr today so that I could get back on my antidepressants. You helped me during my PPD. You help me now. I don't care that we disagree politically. It helps me to know that I am not alone in my day to day efforts to be a good person and a good parent and to realize that I may need medication to be the person that I need to be. Some of us need extra help. Thanks for making that less of a stigma.
182. Brooke said:
I just read this, loved it and cried like a little bitch. Keep up the good work and the awesome family the two of you created. Much love!
183. islaygirl said:
This made me cry like a baby. To go through all the depression crap (and i speak from experience) and have someone WITH you, who not only had to go through it with you, but who CHOOSES everyday to try to figure it out with you is a huge blessing.
184. m4stono said:
that's very nice sharing...I also review your weblog on my site
185. Mari said:
My husband is one of the good guys. It is especially important to me because we have two daughters, and he is the man against whom they will hold up and compare all other men.
186. Melanie said:
Thank you so much for making me cry. I needed it. My husband and I just celebrated our 15th year of marriage and have 3 children. I cannot explain the love I feel for him and it was wonderful to hear yours in the terms you wrote. All I could say to him on our anniversary was "thanks for putting up with me for so long". Congrats on your new addition and I am glad things are going so well. doesn't it rock when they get the meds. right. From one depressed woman to another.
187. linuxchik said:
i hereby dedicate liz phair's 'nashville' to you.
signed,
STILL glad i'm single, even though you just made my eyes sting.
188. Julie said:
Aww, that's what I want. A love like that. If you know any cool guys in the NYC area, send them my way...
189. Mary said:
So sweet. Made me tear up. Need to go upstairs and hug my version of Jon. Thanks.
190. Just Me said:
I have never commented here, but that was an incredible post from Jon. I have bipolar disorder and long ago gave up on finding anyone willing to slog through this with me. I spend so much time trying to not make my illness impact anyone else's lives. Thank you for the glimpse into someone who can do it. I don't know what I want to say, but thank you.
191. Reality Rounds said:
Amazing. Beautiful. I feel the same way about my husband.
192. Anonymous said:
I can't believe I'm getting all slobbery here, but I got chills. Mostly because my mother is a Manic depressive and I totally got Jon with listening to the tone of your voice and whether you were adjusting meds, because I do that all the time with my mother and grew up doing it. My parents divorced when I was young and I then got all teary thinking how sad it was that my mother couldn't have had a marriage like this, where my father was willing to be the one listening instead of me. Sheesh I feel like I need to be telling a shrink this...then I hit a few of the nasty comments while coming down here to post and yikes, one was just plain evil. I don't know how you put up with that...and then I got all blubbery thinking why anyone would post such hate and how the hell do you take it when trying to keep your life, family, marriage together and having to read posts by yahoos?? If they don't like it they should just go read something else. What the hell is wrong with people? Anyway, I wish you the best, and thanks for sharing such deep stuff. Saved me a therapy session.
193. Jaye said:
I too am blessed the second time around. No...not my second child. My second husband. 13 years, five kids, a mortgage, four moves, and a crazy insane ex wife and I still catch my breath when he walks into the room. Life is good...so glad you have the same thing. We are part of the few..the lucky...
194. Ms. Single Mama said:
I am a single mom.
And I am in love.
It's been three months and the few fights we've had have been about my uncanny knack at stressing out or becoming overly anxious about my work (now my blog full-time. I know he wants to fix it, but he just can't. I have issues. I know we all do, but I think mine will take a while to work through. I just hope he sticks around and I hope I let him.
I am going to send him a link to Jon's post and hope it helps him cope with my depressive and anxious tendencies. Because what you just described, Heather, is what I want more than anything.
I love being single but I can taste what it would be like to love someone forever more - no matter what - and I can finally say I want it too.
Thanks so much for everything you two share with the world.
P.S. (to Heather) I was on an episode of Momversation a few weeks ago (about single moms and married moms) - hoping we can be in the same episode one day.
195. LB827 said:
Heather, I just wanted to share with you how thankful I am that I learned about your site. I have suffered with depression for most of my life but never really understood what it was so never got the help I needed. I am now 16 weeks pregnant after 3 years of infertility treatments and meds, including 3 cycles of in vitro, which is how we got pregnant. Did I mention that I also just lost my mother to ovarian cancer in May? I have moments where I am extremely happy about being pregnant and others where I am completely terrified and can't stop crying, those happening much more frequently. But I have now reached out to my doctors and have gotten the help I need. This was an incredibly tough decision to do while pregnant but they have assured me that it is far better to treat depression than not while carrying a baby. They also indicated that I am more predisposed to have postpartum depression so we have a plan for that as well.
I just wanted to thank you for being so open and honest with your situation. I can honestly say that I may not have had the courage to get help without hearing your story and seeing your words of encouragement. Thank you, thank you, thank you!
Congratulations on your new baby girl and many blessings to you and your family.
(Oh - and to those that will condemn me for taking this step - you can SUCK IT!)
196. Melody said:
*sigh*
(Melody wipes a tear from her eye)
197. Anonymous said:
Absolutely fantastic. There are a lot of women out there that use their blogs to vent and complain EVERY DAY about their kids and husbands. Thank you for having the wisdom and respect to talk about the things you are thankful for. It's refreshing and beautiful!
198. Jodi said:
Really appreciated you sharing your stories. I actually had NOT read the actual posts of that time, but was of course aware of the issues to some extent. I think one of the best things to come of this newfangled internet is the unalterable knowledge that "WE ARE NOT ALONE" no matter how unique our situation may seem.
I've never suffered from postpartum depression or anxiety, but have plenty of friends who have. And I think one of the most often expressed feelings was one of guilt for not feeling "like everyone else" toward their newborn. Good for you both for letting it all hang out. I truly believe you've done some good. Thank goodness you were able to hear about such a wonderful doctor and have such quick access to his particular brand of care. I've never heard of any other physician who could achieve same day results.
Best wishes to all four of you! (well 6 counting the dogs)
199. D said:
I'm so glad you realize how lucky you are, and I just hope I can find what you have someday! Congrats on the new baby!
200. Kelly said:
This is so sweet! I like it almost as much as your posts about baby poop exploding and dog pee all over your shirt!
201. Rhonda said:
Hello Heather, Jon, Leta and Marlo (Chuck and Coco)
I feel I would be remiss if I did not wish you a happy birthday and congrats on the Fortune’s list (I think you should be number one by the way).
Thank you for helping me and many others by being so candid with your life and what you are going through.
Stay happy and healthy,
All the best,
Rhonda
202. Kat said:
This is just so sweet. Yes there are hectic times, but now with our little boy, I look at my husband every day and think...how the heck did I get so lucky? Seriously, we are lucky girls!
203. Emilie said:
Thank you for this article.
I'm due to get married in a little over 2 weeks and it's getting a bit stressful and throw in that we'd like to start a family (well try to) shortly and my brain wants to explode.
This joint entry just brought a tear to my eye but also a fair bit of peace and I'm not even the soppy type. So thank you, both of you.
204. Bush Babe said:
HUGS to you both.
Brave, honest, real and a sense of humour.
The quadrella!
:-)
BB
205. Lauren From Texas said:
Thanks for sharing, as always. I've known my husband for 2 years, 2 months (married 1 year, 5 months of that time - yeah, we moved fast). We don't have any kids yet, but sometimes, when I think about having his children, I am filled with this overwhelming honor. It's something I haven't tried to put into words yet, but maybe one day, when it happens, the words will come. Anyway, I catch a little glimpse of the way I feel about my husband when you write about yours. So thank you. :)
206. Amanda Brumfield said:
I wuv you too Captain Clog. You are a superior father and husband.
207. Amy said:
That was so lovely and that's one reason we all love to read your blog. You are full of love and the man behind the woman is always there shining through. It's great that you and Jon are together and in this world!!
208. Michael said:
Damn, I think something flew into my eyes. You two are so lucky to have each other.
209. Audra said:
Thanks for making a pregnant girl cry Heather!
210. Wendy said:
ROCK ON Armstrongs! You give us all hope.
Congrats #26!!
211. Jill said:
Hi Heather,
I've been reading your blog for a year or so now (mamamia.com in Australia put me on to it) and this is the first time I've been moved to comment.
I just feel I need to say what a strong woman I think you are for going through what you've gone through while still being a kind, caring (and irreverent, which I LOVE), wonderful individual. I am in awe of you and what you've done with your life and hope to one day have what you have.
Congratulations (or in gaming terms, gratz :))
212. JIll Put Up A Blog said:
I could barely read the last paragraph through my tear goggles. Very happy for you. If I didn't have love, I would want that kind of love, but luckily I do have that kind of love for my husband and I am so incredibly grateful. We call it movie love:)
213. kerrie said:
I have been reading your blog for a few months now and have thoroughly enjoyed it. Your husband seems like a wonderful man. After reading this post, I smiled to myself and hoped just a little that I someday find a man that loves me as your husband articulates his love for you.
214. Elizabeth said:
Woohoo :) #26 bitches!!! Thank you for reminding me of the Spring of 2003 when the man who was to become my husband and I spent all day every day between the sheets. It's those sweet memories that help us get through nights of diapers and tears.
215. Anonymous said:
I see it coming - Jon Armstrong, the Dooce of Daddyblogging.
I went to a Blog Her party tonight in Chicago, and the word Dooce only came up every other second. Interesting that everyone calls you "overrated", yet claims not to read you. yet, they are all in town for a blogging convention, trying to be top bloggers, laughing about what a "joke" it is that you are called the queen of blogging, mother of blogging, preeminent mommyblogger, etc.
Funniest line of the night - I wish I was home blogging, as one of my cousins is running around right now trying to shoot one of my other cousins.
216. Julie said:
Happy Birthday, Jon Armstrong, you amazing man, you!!
Heather, you are a lucky woman! :)
217. Les~ said:
This post put the hugest lump in my throat and the tears just welled over, too.
Bless ya'll!!
218. Eternally Distracted said:
I have read a lot of blogs about a lot of people who have a lot of things to say. Yours is the only one I return to again and again. Bucketfuls of reality. I am off to read Jon's now which I can safely do in a non-stalker kind of way - because you told us to!
219. Hope said:
You have a good man, Heather, and I'm so happy you realize it.
Thanks a milllion times for sharing your life with all of us.
220. Music for Mother and Child said:
Hi Heather,
So touching to read about your love to your man and kids!
It is truly a challenge to keep the love-line in marriage after having kids.
Not everybody makes it!
You do!
Congratulations! :-D
Greetings,
Claus
221. Krees said:
Oh now I'm all weepy. What a beautiful little tribute to Jon. I heart Heather and Jon.
222. Julia said:
What a great love story you have. It's lovely to hear that couples can go through all these emotions and survive.
Coincidentally, I met my now husband in 2001 and we ended up having two girls. We're still very much in love like you guys.
Julia x
223. akgagirl said:
It is so nice to see a man who will stay by his wife's side during troubling times, to love her no matter what she says or how she acts during "certain" times or days.
Your husband sounds like a wonderful man and I am so jealous of the love you two share.
I wish I could have that. Instead, my husband (whom I love with every ounce of my heart and soul), who left for a year long deployment to Iraq almost a year ago, has informed me that he no longer loves me because out of the 8 years we have been married, we've been together for only 4.
I enjoy reading you everyday, your family is beautiful and I just love your dog's :)
Always be grateful for what you have and cherish it, because one day, it could be gone.
224. Kristine said:
:)
That one got me a little misty, it did.
225. Cookie said:
That's beautiful. I went and read the blog posts of your husband's and wow! I was so touched by his entries that I sent the link to my husband and had him read them too. Thank you are sharing. Your daughters are beautiful, and you are doing a great job being the best mother that you can to them.
226. robinv said:
Hang on tight to him. He's a keeper!
I'm lucky like you. Mine is a good one too...
227. Anonymous said:
Gosh, I know that feeling exactly. It's so powerful to have an incredible man taking on life with you--beside you.
Happy to see someone relishing that as you are, it's beautiful!
228. Katie said:
Thank you for sharing that Heather! It is wonderful to hear of a family that is madly in love despite some bumps and bruises.
229. The Crazy Suburban Mom said:
Honest to god, I'm so out of the loop. I didn't know he had a blog. Of course he does, why wouldn't he have one.
Beautiful words.
230. Kate said:
Thanks Heather, I wanted to start my day crying at my desk.
231. Carol said:
Your family is truly blessed.
232. Jewel said:
I just forwarded Jon's words to my husband. I too deal with anxiety and mild depression and am constantly struggling with him to understand that it is OK for me to be medicated and in therapy. It does work. I need to feel better and I am sorry if he doesn't understand. He constantly wants to fix things but all I really need him to do is 'shut up and listen'. I love your site and love reading it. Thanks for sharing.
233. Sasha said:
I am envious! It's nice to know that that kind of love is real, and maybe myself and my two children will find someone who will one day give us that kind of emotional support your husband gives to you. Lucky you, and your girls are lucky too :)
234. KellyH said:
So nice to hear this kind of love...you just don't hear this on the nightly news. I'm going to stop watching TV now and read only Internet! ;p
Where's the second half of Marlo's birth story!? I love those kind of stories!
235. kath said:
Amazing isn't it? Unbearable love. Overwhelming in an exquisite kind of way. I have it too. I know how lucky I am.
236. Pam said:
I wish I had known about your blog 17-1/2 years ago when my daughter was born and I fell apart which ended up destroying my marriage, too. In hindsight, I probably had PPD, too, but no one -- inc me -- could figure that out. I echo everyone else's comments about how fantastic this post is, and John's is, and I thank you for sharing your thoughts with us. Sometimes its just good to know there's someone else out there like you.
237. Jenny said:
I just got a little teary!
238. Helen said:
*tear*
i guess it's constantly reminding ourselves of these moments (especially in the rocky phases) that keep marriages and families whole. thanks.
239. HoustonGurly said:
What a sweet post! You don't get mushy often, but the love you and Jon share for eachother shines through in this post. It's awesome that you guys make eachother so happy. :)
240. Alisha said:
Yeah! So happy to see Jon getting some credit! From the chair I sit in as I watch the mural you paint swirl to life, it's glaringly obvious that Jon is patient, kind and loves his family. Hold him tight Dooce, you got a great thing going. All the best!
241. Cara said:
I just wanted to tell you how much your story has meant to me. I had my 4th baby (no I'm not Mormon) a few months ago and I have gone through that post-partum shit EVERY SINGLE TIME and this time it sucked more than ever. But it's gone now ThankYouLordJesusAmen. It helps so much to see I'm not the only looney out there. I'm so glad you are doing well.
242. Janie said:
Beautifully written Heather.
I love the way you both DO marriage the way, in my opinion, marriage was meant to be done. I come from a loooong line of divorce and though I always meant to, I have never married. At 50, I believe I never quite trusted a man enough to believe he would fight through thick and thin to make the marriage work...to really MEAN the vows "for better or worse".
I love reading about marriages where the couple actually fight for the love that brought them together and don't just give up on it and divorce when things get a little hairy. (Before I piss anyone off, I am sure that a small percentage of divorces are very necessary!)
Love and best wishes to all 4 of you. Thank you for sharing a small part of your lives with us.
243. sonya said:
Beautiful post. Honest and moving. You brought tears to my eyes and I want to cry.
244. Shaun K said:
As a therapist and Dad-to-be who struggles against fairly-constant-and-sometimes-debilitating anxiety, I'm totally inspired by you and Jon. Thanks for your honesty, humor, humanness, and courageous vulnerability. You. guys. rock. Please keep it up. The more we can do to fight the pernicious and ignorant stigma around meds and therapy for mental illness, the better. Fight on, sister.
Shaun
245. DodiM said:
Tears in my eyes. This is beautiful, Heather.
246. Courtney said:
Aw.
247. Heather said:
you made my cry at work, AGAIN.
248. Kara said:
Geez, bitch, you made me C-R-Y. Warnings, please, when you're going to do that, okay?
And also- yay for all of you.
249. kim said:
i hope that one day i will be able and feel that same kind of love for my partner. thank you for sharing. this was teary-beautiful and i haven't even read jon's posts... :)
250. Nancy said:
Heather,
I have four children and after each child was born, on the third day post-birth, I had a day or tears, unrealistic thoughts/worries, etc. That was it...until my teenaged daughter went down a path that filled me with major grief/anxiety, you name it. My Dr. called it situational depression and it's been a long 6 years, but think my meds are finally stable and life is good. My husband stuck there with me and I appreciate him so much for it, because I think both the depressed person and the significant other have equally difficult positions to be in. It seems Jon is the perfect mate for you and awesome father to your children. He has a lot of wisdom which your tribute speaks gratitude and love towards him quite well.
251. Natalie said:
Just discovered your blog-it's great!
Please finish the story of Marlo's birth!
252. Rochelle said:
That was lovely.
253. Anonymous said:
Heather,
I'm one of "those" who live with those like you... and thank you. While my "those like you" may not be able to articulate this sentiment, I know it's there. Reading it from a third party helps me realize that even further. Through all the med cocktails, the hours of therapy, the birth of one child and the adoption of another, it's there. And so is the fierce feeling of knowing you've made it through some days that present more challenges than most marriages see in a lifetime. Those of us who LIVE with those like you, who commit to those like you, feel the same thing. Thank you.
254. Melissa B. said:
A poignant post. I'm on the other end of the relationship from you. Sending 2 girls off to college in a couple of weeks. My heart is about to burst!
255. Kristin Ras said:
Yay for awesome men!! So glad this second baby has been easier!
256. Maura said:
Wow. This is the kind of writing that gets you on Forbes' list. Like the others, you've got me crying at work. Thank you.
257. Anonymous said:
Reading this and what Jon has had to say finally makes me realize that I have got to stop pretending that I am okay and get some better help for my double depression and anxiety. I have just been floating along with the same old doctor for a few years now, not liking him, and never feeling better. And lying to my friends and family that I am doing 'well' It's time to stop and do what's best for me, and stop protecting every body else from my disease.
258. ellaelise said:
geez heather - way to go and break someone's heart here. that was one of the most beautiful things i've read here. seriously - this new motherhood is really bringing out a new side of you and it's really magnificent. you're such a talented writer and it's no wonder u made to the forbes list. you go heather!!!!
259. Eleanor's Trousers said:
I envy your marriage, but have to say it gives me hope. It also reminds me that giving in and getting therapy is not the worst possible result (I come from a long line of "suck it up!" relatives). Thank you for sharing, and hell, for being funny while you do it.
260. Taylee said:
Thank you for going there. I loved that post. God I wish everyone could be raw about life/love and the amazing journeys we go through to get to where we are now. Please let me find a man that I can have hot sex with all day every day and then someday have 2 beautiful children and be a woman of so many words and experiences. Someday.
261. heather said:
wow - so nice - you made me cry
262. Jasmine said:
Gosh! Let me go have sex with my husband now!
263. Stephanie said:
I am in love with this post. :) Well put and well written by both Heather and Jon.
264. Kathryn said:
Wowee...I was blown away by Jon's post yesterday, and your response just brings it home.
I've been dating a new guy about two months now, and I don't know if he's the one, but do I know that we have sex all day every day and that he knows to just shut up and listen sometimes. So I'm understandably excited.
Personal story: I just switched birth control pills and the new one has been making me incredibly hormonal and emotionally unstable, and I let loose on him the other day (when we took a long lunch break to have sex at my place, natch) in a big way. The kind of blowup where most sane guys would leave, never talk to you again, and tell all their friends you're completely batshit insane. He just sat there, totally silent, and let me spew all over him for about 10 minutes. And then we talked it out. And then we had great sex.
Moral of the story: whether I end up with this guy or a different guy, I hope I have even 2% of what you and Jon have. I'm so happy for you...and also, Marlo is beyond adorable.
265. jeana said:
Heather,
I think this blog has helped your love and connection grow even stronger for Jon. Your relationship is such a strong focal point of this site that any glitches, hiccups or milestones you reach together are kept in the forefront, something many people let slip while dealing with other aspects of their lives. So kudos to you and Jon for being a typical couple dealing with typical relationship issues, and communicating them to the rest of the world in a not-so-typical way. You help us all.
266. Lisa said:
Thank you so much for your ongoing posts regarding depression. You two are to be commended for your willingness to share what it's like living with mental illness. It seems like most of society has yet to liberate itself from the stigma of this type of disease.
It's real, it can be treated and it's nothing to be ashamed of. By sharing and showing your love for each other through difficult times you're doing so much to educate people and helping those who need to, help themselves.
267. Anonymous said:
Where's part II of the birth story??!!
268. J. Bo said:
In this world, the only thing scarcer than Actual True Love is the awareness of it when it's happening.
It's obvious that you are very, VERY aware.
269. Mo said:
Shoot, crying at work now.
270. Drew said:
You just made me cry/tear-up at work, which is not the smartest thing to do when you man the front desk.
Thanks again for sharing your stories with us. You show the examples of how life works better when you let go of all the shit and myths we're all saddled with.
271. Shanna said:
awww:)
272. Chrissy Morin said:
It's so great when happily married people tell the world.. Yeah for you. I'd heard of your site but never actually made it here... WOW.. I've been missing out.. I've been wandering around now for.... hmmm too long.. (good thing I don't work for "da man" or I'd have been fired by now.) I haven't found the right spot to subscribe yet But I assume it's here somewhere.. Great site... you have a new fan! I'm headed to read your husbands post next!
273. Eva said:
Heather Armstrong, you've just made me cry with this post.
I feel the same way about my husband who has been inconceivably supportive of me and my daughter even when I have felt stretched beyond all limits because of my own problems.
I love that you love Jon so much.
274. SuzieQ said:
I told Jon, yesterday, that his post for the day was one of the most beautiful love stories I had ever read. You both are so lucky to have each other. I was married for 39 years before losing my husband to cancer and was so lucky to have him. In another 39 years I expect you and Jon will still be together, playing with your grandchildren.
275. PS~Erin said:
Okay, I have a friend who has been telling me I need to check out your site for some time now, and today I finally did and got this. I haven't read further than this post, but I had to stop and comment:
You've just expressed so much of how I feel when I sit back and look at my family. I am in awe that I *get* to be his wife and their mother. Thanks for saying it way better than I ever could. And congratulations for getting to the point in your life that you're at.
Off to read more now...
276. aussiechic said:
B E A U T I F U L.
Thank the Lord for men.
277. v said:
This post made me all teary!
You and Jon are so lucky to have found each other. But the luckiest people in this? Those two beautiful girls of yours. They are so lucky to have a father who loves them so much and who loves their mother so much. So few children get to grow up in households where they get to see love whole.
278. Brenda said:
goosebumps and happy tears for you and your happy family!!!!!
279. Sara said:
Heather, you are the queen of honesty. True royalty. Thanks for another awesome blog post, 26!
280. BRITNEY said:
I JUST DISCOVERED YOUR WEBSITE ABOUT 2 MONTHS AGO. I AM 24 YEARS OF AGE AND WAS ABLE TO SEEK THE HELP I NEED FROM THE DISEASE THAT I BATTLE DAILY IT TOO IS CALLED DEPRESSION, POST TRAMATIC STRESS DISORDER, AND THEY EVEN BELIEVE I SUFFER FROM OCD AS WELL. IF YOU MET ME OUT YOU WOULD HAVE NEVER KNOWN I SUFFERED FROM SUCH AN ILLNESS BUT I DO AND IT HURTS EVERYDAY. READING YOUR WEBSITE HAS BEEN AN AMAZING EXPERIENCE FOR ME. I LAUGH, I CRY, AND I RELATE AND IT MAKES ME SMILE TO KNOW I HAVE SOMEWHERE TO GO AND FIND SOMEONE WHO HELPS ME TO HELP ME WITHOUT EVER KNOWING THAT THEY HAVE IMPACTED MY LIFE. I HAVE BEEN DEALING WITH MY ILLNESS FOR SOMETIME I JUST WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR BEING YOU. THANK YOU FOR BEING HONEST. THANK YOU FOR SHARING YOUR LIFE WITH US. THANK YOU FOR HELPING ME. THANK YOU.
281. Trinity said:
Love it! Thank you for sharing this one; you are such an earnest and outstanding person and you deserve to have such a rare and well-matched husband.
I feel the same about my husband and you just "reminded me to be reminded". ;)
282. Brenda said:
This is awesome. I am so glad y'all are doing well.
You deserve to be happy.
283. Suzanne said:
Beautiful post. I'd love for my husband to read Jon's writing. Thank you!
284. Liv said:
Very, very sweet and touching. It's great that it's been so much better this time around. Good luck to you both!
285. Dave said:
I wonder if there was a tiny part of Jon who thought his post would get him laid!
Just kidding, awesome post.
286. Shannon said:
God you Cancers have such a way with expressing your feelings and emotions!
287. Jared said:
One of my favorite posts of yours. Makes me sit back and realize just how lucky I am in my life as well.
288. Tricina said:
I am one of those people like you. I found your site a year or two ago and I've read every entry since. I don't read it just because it's about two people making a good life with depression and anxiety obstacles, but I have to say it's nice to see the happy ending. It's wonderful read a true story about this familiar struggle and see the happy ending that doesn't really end. That's the best. Most stories have a clear end, leaving us to wonder what happened next. What about the next challenge?
Thank you for letting us in on your life, for sharing your struggles and triumphs so openly. It is very, very appreciated.
-One of Those Like You
289. nutty mummy said:
awwww.. that is very sweet.
290. Kelly K. said:
i wish every woman were as lucky as you are... me included!
291. Sarah said:
Such beautiful, honest, brave writing from both of you. Thanks for sharing so much of your relationship with us - I know it's helped me and I'm betting thousands of others.
292. Aime in Ohio said:
Now I want to know what question the reporter asked you. Do we get a link???
Very sweet hormone induced sleep deprived poignant post.
293. Chloe said:
Oh shut up Heather im so jealous I cant stand it.
294. Aislinn said:
Doocekins - Please finish posting about your labor experience. I'm in an absolute panic I won't see it until after I've had my 2nd baby (due Sept 2nd) and I'm afraid it might hold key information that will help me! I am 34 weeks and have just realized that if I don't prepare myself better for going natural, I'll never make it. I'm about to hire a doula and have received scads of second hand books on doing this au naturale. My first child's birth was probably a similar experience to Leta's and I have quietly been thinking to myself that I want to go natural and have finally gotten the nerve to tell my husband (I didn't want to tell anyone because - what if I failed at something that was important to me and others knew it?) This is my last baby so I really want this experience. Anyway, this has gone on long enough and you could be spending the time it's taking you to read this and finish it already! TY, Loyal Reader #95462766
295. buy online dvds said:
John John John. What a man.
296. motor said:
Thanks for posting the link to Jon's blog. I didn't know it existed but really enjoyed that read.
Thanks Heather.
297. Rachel said:
Heather, Jon, this post couldn't have come at a better time.
Mental illness sucks, and after a particularly tough and gnarly night last night that involved some of my severe anger management issues coming out for another round, and my husband just holding me once I was done violently smashing things (my hand, namely), this post really spoke volumes.
I am so lucky to have the man in my life that I do. He is more than justified in leaving me at any moment, yet he stays. He has proven time and again that through the good and the bad (especially the bad, I've been seeing more of that lately), he's here.
Between this post, and your book, I completely identify with you. In fact, it's a very eerie parallel. I do not have children yet, but I can see already where we parallel almost completely.
The noblest and most selfless thing you could have done was gotten help when you needed it. I am doing the same, and I hope that the end result is like yours. It's rough now, but I'm taking it a little at a time.
298. kevin said:
This is really sentimental. Thanks for showing us that it's okay to embrace our sensitive side.
299. Melissa said:
As someone who WAS left by someone because of my depression issues I am jealous. I find myself googling him, and he is doing so well and for that I am glad.
On the other hand he promised to love me, and he knew I was troubled and that makes me kinda jealous.
So seriously, you are so lucky.
300. Desiree said:
Heather...I loved what you wrote and I went and read all of Jon's orig post...I am also one of those women that have a husband that not only adores me...but he loves my crazy too. I often joke about it with him...gotta remember my crazy pills...recently I decided to take a hiatus from my meds to see if they were really needed. After a couple of months it is my wonderful husband that held me close one night and said, "I love you...we need you on your meds..." I started them the next day and I know now that I will always need to take them or I will sink into my dark aloneness...I love reading your blog...I love reading Jon's blog...I'm glad that you talk about your depression...it has helped me talk about mine too. Thanks Heather.
301. Bethany said:
Dude. Right on.
And I love you times a million for the pic of Chuck with the Prep H.