A can of worms
Lately the most frequently asked question sent to me in email (other than 1) what kind of dog is Chuck? SuperMutt, and 2) how do you pronounce Leta? Rhymes with pita) is: what is your take on "Big Love," the new HBO series about a polygamist who lives in Utah? I have been reluctant to write about it here because my response to this show goes way beyond a cursory thumbs up or down. It is inextricably tied to how I feel about the Mormon church, and if I explain those feelings I am going to be crossing into some really uncomfortable territory for many members of my family who read this website.
After watching last night's episode, however, and witnessing my own reaction unfold I think it might be time for me to be up front regardless of how certain people are going to react to what I have to say, particularly my mother and my father who are both devout Mormons. As this website has evolved I have had to take a hard look at my boundaries, at what I will and will not write about, and for at least a few years now I have stayed very far away from any serious talk of Mormonism, although I have frequently poked fun at my Mormon heritage and have on more than one occasion described the proper way to hit a Mormon with a moving vehicle.
That unwillingness to talk about Mormonism here grew out of an unspoken agreement among the members of my family, one that dictates we not ever talk about religion or politics if we are in the same room. It's an agreement that has worked and has preserved our relationship because they don't ever have to be confronted with how I really feel about their religion, their way of life. I have said it here before but it bears repeating: leaving Mormonism is tantamount to leaving your family. At first, that's exactly how my family felt. They never came out and said that directly, but they didn't have to. I had lived and breathed that religion for over 22 years and I knew exactly what they were thinking, that my rejection of Mormonism was in essence a rejection of them and all the work they had done.
Over time we learned how to navigate around those issues in our relationships with each other. They know that they should never preach to me or call me to repentance or send me a Book of Mormon in the mail. I never talk to them about why I left or why I'll never go back. We've even developed a sense of humor about our political differences, and often my clumsiness or Leta's unwillingness to cooperate in any situation is blamed on my being a Democrat. Which is fine. I blame their political party for the fact that they own furniture upholstered in acid-washed denim.
So here's the thing about "Big Love," a television show about a man named Bill who is married to three women. The producers of the show have made a point of saying that the members of this family are not practicing Mormons, and I am glad they did this. Mormons do not practice polygamy, haven't since before 1900 when the United States government made it illegal. Certain fundamentalist sects of the Mormon faith practice polygamy, and they are represented in this show albeit with standard Hollywood exaggeration and dramatization. But it's a television show and that's what they're supposed to do, so whatever.
I read an interview somewhere with Jeanne Tripplehorn about her role, the oldest of the three wives and the one who has been married to Bill the longest, and she said she had a really hard time deciding to take it on. In order for her to make her character seem convincing she would have to get to a place where she could see why this woman would willingly enter into a relationship with with these two other women, and for a while she didn't think she could ever get there. I remember thinking when I read this that it didn't make sense: she's an actor, isn't it her job to pretend? Couldn't she play this character even if there wasn't a single part of her that understood why a woman would do this?
But last night as I was watching the third episode my body started to recoil involuntarily as it had done during the first two episodes. For the entire one hour duration of the show I had to fight the urge to puke. The work that goes into maintaining a marriage to one person is hard enough, but three? THREE? When I watch the show I feel like I'm married to all three women and by the end of the night I want to divorce each one of them. I can barely watch the dynamics among all three women, how in God's name are these actors even pretending that it's okay?
Personally I can understand why a woman would want to marry another woman, or a man another man. That makes perfect sense to me, and if I had my way homosexuals would have the same rights as heterosexuals in this country when it comes to marriage. It's barbaric that they don't. At the same time, if we're talking about civil rights, doesn't it make sense that all consenting adults should have the right to marry whomever they want to marry including multiple people? Polygamy seems like a natural extension of civil and religious rights as long as all parties involved are adults and know what they are agreeing to.
But I do not get it. I cannot understand why a woman would consent to this arrangement, and the whole time I'm watching this show I can't get one thought out of my head: if you have a choice, why would you do this to yourself? Why would you do this to your children?
Now we get to the part where my feelings about the Mormon church come in. Even though this show isn't about the Mormon religion my family practices, it is indirectly about the religion in its infancy and what the religion might one day become. The founding prophet of the Mormon Church, Joseph Smith, started polygamy because he said it was a revelation from God. And so he and other elders in the church took dozens of wives, many of them in their early teens. That isn't okay to me. Nor is it okay that the only reason the church stopped sanctioning polygamy was because the government told them they had to. So... God was wrong? God answers to the American government?
Mormons believe that polygamy will be practiced in the afterlife, and what I can't help thinking is that when the civil right of marriage is ultimately extended to homosexuals and then to polygamists, why wouldn't the Mormon Church start practicing it again? And when they do start practicing it again, how are the members of the church going to handle it? If Mormons truly believe their religion they have to believe that polygamy is their destiny, so why are they always trying to distance themselves from it? I think that many of them don't want to ask themselves that question because they might be terrified of the answer: they aren't okay with it.
It was this very issue that started me on my way out of the religion, this issue and that of the role of women in the church. I realized that I valued myself too much to ever be okay with sharing my partner with anyone else. I deserve all of him, and he deserves all of me, nothing less. I had a hard time reconciling the fact that my father (although he has a civil divorce from my mother) is married to both my mother and my step-mother in the Mormon temple, but my mother, unless she gets a temple divorce from my father, can never remarry another man in the temple. She doesn't have the same rights as a man in the church. That isn't okay to me.
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Littlehoney said:
Well said. I think that's a perfectly reasonable, respectable answer to a question that might have become uncomfortable.
03.27.06 - 02:58 PM / 1NicRenee said:
Your issues with leaving Mormonism are shared by many, not just former Mormons, as I'm sure you know. I and several people I grew up with have left Christianity within the past several years, and it has been a very intesting experiment in the our relationships with those whom we've worshiped with for years, and our families who are still devout Christians. I think it is scary to them that they might be wrong, and it's easier to push us out of our lives than to consider that possibility. Thanks for the great post.
03.27.06 - 03:01 PM / 2Amanda said:
I can't imagine any member of your family being offended by your response, because it's obvious that you took great care in choosing your words and that you care about them very much. Dealing with religious issues, especially denouncing your family's religion, is a huge deal. Although I'm only 18, I've already been to hell and back as far as gaining respect for my beliefs, and only my immediate family knows about it! Your effort is commendable and heartfelt, and I can only hope someday that I will be so gracious.
03.27.06 - 03:02 PM / 3Stepha1202 said:
I am against organized religion for many reasons, but also because women's place in the church is portrayed as too subservient and miniscule. It is so nice to see a confident woman who values herself. So few women really do and I think this is why women would be willing to be one of many wives.
Also, interesting parallel between homosexuals and multiple spouses. I'm not sure what I think about that, but it has me thinking.
03.27.06 - 03:04 PM / 4jen said:
I know you'll get trash about your gay marriage POV, but I want to thank you for saying it anyway. You have no idea how much it aches inside when someone tells you your sexuality doesn't deserve rights- that it, for all intensive purposes, doesn't really even exist. Thank you for believing what you do- I think you are very courageous to have such different views from the rest of your family and still love and respect them. It's a refreshing concept these days to think that different people can get along.
03.27.06 - 03:05 PM / 5joanne said:
Although I didn't email you to ask you what you thought of Big Love, I did wonder what you thought and am glad to know. I admire that you work so hard to keep a relationship going with your family, and maybe it's a testament to them and to you that you all even bother, even though it's difficult. As for the show, I don't know - we are giving it one more week before we decide if we're going to hang with it. Right now I want to divorce them all too, especially that wooden dead actor Bill Paxton.
03.27.06 - 03:06 PM / 6R said:
very well said!
03.27.06 - 03:08 PM / 7ManicMommyK said:
This post was interesting to me because, beyond your feelings about Mormonism and religion, it speaks to the challenges when "putting it out there" for the world to see.
Whether blogging or podcasting we set up, consciously or unconsiously, boundaries about what we can or will share with our audience. Do I talk about my kids? My job? Show pictures? Share my address? As you know better than most, there can be unanticipated consequences if these boundaries aren't determined.
I have always been amazed by your willingness to open your life so completely to your readers. Thanks for opening up this part of your life and background also - you did it with grace and skill.
03.27.06 - 03:09 PM / 8Nothing But Bonfires said:
I'm just not sure why it's neccessary that we see Bill Paxton's buttocks so often! And yet ... that doesn't stop me from watching.
I read a great book a few months ago -- "Leaving the Saints: How I Lost the Mormons and Found My Faith" by Martha Beck. Compelling stuff.
03.27.06 - 03:11 PM / 9Monkey said:
A Joseph Smith reference! My mother's side of the family descends from the Rigdon lineage (Sydney Rigdon - widely viewed among Mormons to be a traitor to the church, because he walked away from it). Whenever we're around Mormons and we reveal this fact, they suddenly fall very silent, back away slowly, shielding their children's eyes while whispering: "Pay no attention to those pagans, dear."
Okay, maybe I'm exaggerating a little but you get the idea.
03.27.06 - 03:11 PM / 10FashMags said:
Heather:
Thank you for a thoughtful post. I was wondering aloud with friends today what you thought of Big Love. My husband and I (not Mormons) have suffered through the first three episodes saying "THREE" how the hell do you deal with all that turmoil. No thank you - I couldn't be that devout to chocolate cake and I LOVE chocolate cake. I'm impressed you did not mention Chloe Sevfugny being born to the part. Funny, you don't get a lot of lead actresses who bring their own wardrobe. Best regards from Boston!
03.27.06 - 03:11 PM / 11staceymay said:
As a Mormon, I'm impressed that you explained your feelings without any pot-shots or belittling. I may not agree with all that you say, but I respect your right to say it and I think you said it well.
03.27.06 - 03:13 PM / 12Lisa V said:
I really enjoy Big Love and think it is a really well done entertaining show. I think it does a good job- and will continue to explore the way polygamy really can exploit women. I think the question will ultimately be did Bill's wives have more choice and respect than the women in Juniper Creek. I am fascinated by it (and post about it every week) because it is so different from my experience. Just like Sopranos.
I live in Idaho, I grew up in Idaho Falls and some of my family are LDS. I always see all the nods to Mormon theology and lifestyle, even while Bill and the wives distance themselves from it.
The first week I posted about it I felt odd, because I felt like in some ways it was mocking things people I respected held dear (Like temple marriage).
Your perspective is interesting and heartfelt. I hope your family understands.
03.27.06 - 03:17 PM / 13Vickee said:
This is a very brave post. Thank you. Oddly, when I first heard about Big Love, I immediately thought about you and what you might think about it.
And when you think about it, God is Everywhere. Why must one visit a church to feel close to God?
03.27.06 - 03:18 PM / 14Beverlee said:
It sounds like all of you have developed a mutually respectful space around the "hot" issues. I know that in my family (siblings & parent), there are some areas that I just avoid just to keep the peace and keep the ties. Otherwise, we would have all gone in our opposite directions a long time ago. The family connection is worth caring for if at all possible.
03.27.06 - 03:20 PM / 15Jeni said:
I just wanted to show my support for your post. The courage it takes to publicly post views that clash with your family's core belief system is huge. You accomplish this in your post with a lot of poise and much respect for your family. I hope the backlash (from family members and those who will slam you for supporting gay rights) isn't too hard. Finding balance as a writer is a struggle, you handle it well.
03.27.06 - 03:21 PM / 16Whinger said:
I think you're dead on. It's fine for consenting adults to do pretty much anything, I think, as long as they're not hurting anyone.
That said, I can't imagine sharing my partner with someone else on varying nights. And why is it the women are always getting the raw deal?
Sigh. Religion.
03.27.06 - 03:22 PM / 17CJ mama said:
I live in Utah and my primary issue with Mormonism has to do with their views of women. I cannot participate in anything that will not allow me to hold any of the top "offices" simply because of the fact that I am a woman--no other reason. I just can't.
03.27.06 - 03:22 PM / 18CJ mama said:
I live in Utah and my primary issue with Mormonism has to do with their views of women. I cannot participate in anything that will not allow me to hold any of the top "offices" simply because of the fact that I am a woman--no other reason. I just can't.
03.27.06 - 03:23 PM / 19mom on a wire said:
I joined the Mormon church when I was 16. I have now been married to a wonderful man for 5 years and we are raising our children in the religion. I have to tell you honestly, if we were "told" that we were supposed to start practicing polygamy, I think I would probably leave the church. I do not believe that polygamy will be practiced in heaven, and I do not believe that it is an ok thing to do. Mormons teach family values and the sanctity of marriage, and I think that polygamy is so far away from that. I don't know enough about why it was started or why it ended to try to justify what the early members of the church did. There is a lot of church history that frankly just baffles me, however I feel strongly that this is where I need to be at this point in my life. I truly believe that the church is evolving in a positive way, farther away from polygamy and closer to the equality that I believe men and women should have in the church. I wouldn't stay here if I felt the future of the church was going in a direction I was uncomfortable with. Polygamy is a very emotionally charged issue with a lot of people, and it will be interesting to see the church's reaction to Big Love. Thanks for stating your views so openly and without malice. You're a peach. :)
03.27.06 - 03:23 PM / 20DrKyla said:
Speaking as a lesbian, who moved to Canada for love, and is now in a totally legal marriage: Equal rights rock!
We've been married over 2 years now, and society has not crumbled. Our rights are protected and respected.
Canada does a lot wrong, but they got this one right.
03.27.06 - 03:25 PM / 21geokaz said:
As non-mormon utahans and big HBO fans, as well as hippie liberals, we've been mulling over "Big Love" as well. I agree that polygamy should be legal as long as it is undertaken by consenting adults. The problem becomes, with the history of the fundamentalist LDS church and the long, long history of the cultural supression and objectification of women, consent becomes very difficult to define. I think if I saw more polygamist relationships where women were the center of the family and had multiple husbands, I would feel much more comfortable condoning polygamy as a practice in general. But it is the idea of possessing many wives, as if they were cattle, that makes polygamy so hard to understand as a woman. On the other hand, my thought watching "Big Love" last week was that it would be nice to have built in babysitters if you're going to have to have ten children.
03.27.06 - 03:25 PM / 22MissAngela said:
I have been reading your site for a long time and have never posted before. After reading this post I just had to. I share much of the same background as you do and I left the church for this same reason (among others). I just wanted to say how much I admire your decision to speak so openly, it is not an easy thing to do. My family can not understand why I left and they are so worried I won’t be a part of their eternal family in the Celestial Kingdom. I am not worried, I am married to a wonderful man and we have two beautiful boys and that is all I really need. Thank you for being so honest.
03.27.06 - 03:26 PM / 23Ashley said:
I'm the second (so far, when posting) Mormon commenting and in the past few moments have thought of all kinds of ways I could offer myself up as a sacrifice to all kinds of love and hatred by asking to open up the discussion to different sides--because there certainly aren't just two.
Heather, you don't have to entertain any other opinion but your own--blogging gives anyone that power--and whoever listens or reads is bound to himself to reconcile the differences. But, you've opened comments on this one and I commend that. Here's hoping many who respond feel safe enough in their skin to offer differing views.
I'll admit I don't. Not quite yet.
03.27.06 - 03:27 PM / 24Dave Thomas said:
Possibly interesting article on practical distinctions between homosexual marriage and polygamy:
http://www.slate.com/id/2138482/?nav=mpp
Upshot: The standard two-person relationship isn't arbitrary; it's based on human nature.
Why? Jealousy, of course!
03.27.06 - 03:28 PM / 25TheGirlWho said:
Yo Heather! I can't tell you how much we have in common. I grew up near BYU, left the church and married a rock boy. Most importantly, I love Doritos and who doesn't love Britney's chest? As a recovering Mormon, I tune into Big Love, curious how they will portray the Mormon church and the fundamental Mormons.
More than your opinion on Big Love, I appreciate your sharing how you deal with those members of your family who are still Mormon. Like you, any discussions about homosexuality and the like are off limits with my family.. or punches will likely be thrown. You can imagine my mother's horror when an article in the S.L. City Weekly chronicled my abortion at 17. The first and only question she asked was "did you use my last name or your married name." God forbid the neighbors know I had an abortion ten years ago. I escaped from behind the Zion Curtain last year and only recently discovered your site. Man, it's crazy - I lived a few blocks from you and Jon and had to come all the way to Manhattan to discover you.
P.S. I remember dancing at "The Palace" in Provo around the time Swim Herschel Swim was making the scene.
03.27.06 - 03:29 PM / 26kathrynaz said:
My husband and I are both watching BigLove. The acting is good, and the whole polygamy angle is certainly provocative.
HOWEVER, aside from the disturbing site of Bill Paxton's buttocks (way too much exposure there) in almost every episode, there is also this disturbing element of the sheer submission involved in the characters' fourway marriage. Maybe its the whole Hollywood drama thing, but these women are either:
a) squabbling over who gets to have sex with this guy on what night of the week
b) asking him for more material possessions, because the other wives' have this or that (car, furniture, etc)
c) ridiculously gushing over this man, who when they are having a bad day, offers to "bless" them
Absent from this potrayal of polygamous marriage are the children and their relationships with their parents. Both the women and the husband seem more concerned with extricating themselves from the sexual pitfalls of the marriage, than they are about spending quality time with their like 10 or so kids!
I totally agree with you that the particular dynamics of any marriage should be legal for consenting adults. But there is just something in the whole paternalistic arrangment that fundamentalist polygamy supports that really makes my teeth itch.
03.27.06 - 03:31 PM / 27monkey said:
Word. I'm not much of an organized religion sort. Especially the ones that do not value the opinion of women based on the lack of penis factor.
And nevermind Bill Paxton's bare buttocks...what about that sack shot in episode 1 or 2? I did NOT need to see that!
03.27.06 - 03:32 PM / 28KaraMia said:
My sister converted to Moromonism before she married her husband. Although I gave her a few pot shots (as is my right as family) we all respected her decision. She has been married now for over five years and I have learned a few wonderful things about her religion, and a few not so wonderful things. One of my biggest complaints is that if you are not Mormon, you tend to get put on the back burner. Her church comes before her non Mormon family many times and that hurts. I didn't get to see her get married because I wasn't mormon, nor did other relatives that were because they were not at the level that allowed them into the temple. During the holidays, it's always a fight for her to get to spend time with me, that hurts too. I guess in the end, I can't condone a religion that puts it's church before the blood family. Maybe it's just my sister, but i've seen it with other people and I just can't agree with it. We grew up believing blood came first, I still believe that...I just wish my sister did.
03.27.06 - 03:32 PM / 29Dorkette said:
Kudos to you for expressing your point of view while updholding respect for your family.
I have never been part of an organized religion... there are things about Mormonism that I cannot fathom, one of them being polygamy. Obviously as a woman I take issue with the role of women in that sect. However, I tend to agree: polygamy can be acceptable, providing that everyone involved is consenting. I have a major, major problem with how young girls are married off to men, often times to those that are old enough to be their grandfathers. This is utterly disturbing.
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