Why any woman who intends to vote for McCain should reconsider

Two of my favorite bloggers in the past couple of days have explained in succinct detail why we (women in particular) should be sickened by John McCain. I implore you to take the time to read these, they’re not just a bunch of liberal propaganda or pro-choice cheerleading. These are stories of people’s lives.

From Alexa at Flotsam:

McCain states that he would deal with the issue of abortion with “courage and compassion.” I quote: “the courage of a pregnant mother to bring her child into the world and the compassion of civil society to meet her needs and those of her newborn baby.” As if terminating my pregnancy would be the easy way out, the way not requiring his precious “courage.” As if dictating my medical care based upon his religious beliefs is compassionate. And I find it interesting to note that his “compassion” for this newborn does not extend to guaranteeing it health insurance.

And Julie from a little pregnant:

He means us when he holds up his hands and says with that single scornful gesture that we don’t matter. That we are a figment of the “pro-abortion movement’s” imagination. That — what, we’re making this whole “staying pregnant might kill me” thing up?

… even if you’re implacably, unconditionally opposed to abortion, a matter on which reasonable people disagree, I don’t see any way a thinking person can look at those air quotes and see anything but pandering, contempt, and a dangerous willful ignorance.

  • Elisha

    I will absolutely be voting for John McCain. I am neither a republican nor a democrat, so I vote for who I think will do the best job and the person whose values and ideas I agree with. I do not like Barak Obama. I like John McCain. I like Joe Biden. I do not like Sarah Palin. I think John McCain would be doing much better in the polls if he had chosen a different running mate, but I will indeed vote for him and hope that Sarah Palin is as involved as Dick Cheney has been ;)

    Though your ranting and raving about politics bores me to death, I do still come here to see pictures of your dogs. I love them!

  • Anonymous

    Please continue stepping up to the political podium.

  • http://.screamfree.com Jenny R

    Thought this was interesting

    How Racism works…

    What if Michelle Obama walked 5 kids including a pregnant 17 year old on
    stage? Would racism change the perception?

    What if a video surfaced of Michelle Obama being cleansed of witch craft by
    a black preacher?

    What if John McCain were a former president of the Harvard Law Review?

    What if Barack Obama finished fifth from the bottom of his graduating class?

    What if McCain were still married to the first woman he said ‘I do’ to?

    What if Obama were the candidate who left his first wife at the age of 42
    (for a 22 year old heiress) after she no longer measured up to his

    What if Michelle Obama were a wife who not only became addicted to pain
    killers, but acquired them illegally through her charitable organization?

    What if Cindy McCain graduated from Harvard?

    What if Obama were a member of the ‘Keating 5′?

    What if McCain was a charismatic, eloquent speaker?

    If these questions reflected reality, do you really believe the election
    numbers would be as close as they are?

    This is what racism does. It covers up, rationalizes and minimizes positive
    qualities in one candidate and emphasizes negative qualities in another when
    there is a color difference.

  • Katie

    I love reading your blog Heather, and I will continue to read and enjoy it, but I definitely disagree on this issue.

    I got pregnant when I was 20 and chose not to abort my daughter, even though her birth would change my life irrevocably. I didn’t have the money at the time to pay out of pocket my healthcare, so I went on medicaid. I stayed on medicaid for approximately two years, until I had a job and then did what was intended – I took myself, and my daughter…off medicaid. Actually, it was harder to get OFF medicaid than get on.

    So, yes, “a compassionate civil society” met mine and my daughters needs, and then when I was self-sufficent, I met those needs myself.

    Republicans do not believe that ALL welfare should be abandoned. What we DO believe in is individual responsibility and a “hand up” when needed.

    For myself, I’m voting for Mickey Mouse.

  • http://psycheknot.livejournal.com Jocey

    Diana (#377), do you know what an opinion is? You might want to check on that. Also, it might interest you to know that I have had an abortion, and I do not think it was wrong or that I will have to “answer for it someday.” For someone who is so angry about being asked to understand where other people are coming from, you seem awfully confident in your ability to predict others’ feelings and thoughts. Maybe you should try a little more of that “understanding” thing before you make any more pronouncements about how other people feel.

    Heather, thank you so much for posting this. It’s very reassuring to know that I wasn’t the only person who was put off by what John McCain said. I love it when you bring up politics! Don’t listen to the haters, they’re just pissed because they like you and they wish you were on their side. Or because they’re crazy — some of them seem crazy.

  • Anonymous

    I am a single mom of a special-needs kid. (I mention this because some McCain supporters think that I should now feel an intimate connection with Palin. Not so much.) The thing is, now that I had my son, I can’t imagine having chosen to give him up. But if I hadn’t been a month away from graduating college and engaged (I later broke up with him because he was abusive), my choice may have been different. And I think part of what made choosing to continue the pregnancy easier was knowing that it was MY choice.

    Now if the government says I’m not allowed to choose whether or not to continue my pregnancy, then where does it end? Will they start dictating how I act when I’m pregnant along with what I’m allowed to ingest or engage in? Then they start dictating who should be allowed to parent and who shouldn’t. The Right already says homosexuals shouldn’t be parents. So why not single moms? Or poor people?

    And what happens if the Right gets it’s way and the thousands of babies who are aborted each week are suddenly born? (Clearly this will not happen; I am being hypothetical for the sake of argument.) Who takes care of these children? Some of them will be taken care of by their parents. Some will be put up for adoption. And when they aren’t all adopted or they are abandoned or neglected, who pays for foster care and how? And for those who would have chosen abortion for economic reasons comes the cost of food stamps, WIC programs, headstart child care, medicaid, child support recovery, and FIP/Welfare. All of the things the Right hates because the government shouldn’t pay for pregnancies. Have they ever considered what happens next? Kind of like going to war without an exit strategy, a legitimate reason, or a way to rebuild the country we invaded…..

    And the whole rape/incest thing. I think that pisses me off the most. Imagine every time you fill out a piece of information about yourself or your child and having to look at the spot where it says “father” knowing the name that belongs there is the name of a monster. It’s hard enough with my son’s father. CAN YOU IMAGINE? A baby?? The daily care of a BABY who cries and poops and costs lots of money and interrupts your life every hour of every day day and it’s the result of rape???? To not only have memories but a constant physical reminder that you aren’t allowed to hate? That you have to sacrifice for????

    Of course the argument is to have the baby adopted instead. I still have to put my life on hold for NINE MONTHS while my belly swells and people ask me about baby names and due dates and daddies.

    I think Obama nailed it when he said that he knows we can’t all agree on the abortion issue, but we can agree that we want to decrease the number of unwanted pregnancies. And let me tell you, the Right does a crappy job of educating it’s youth. They can preach abstinence all they want; their kids are still going to do whatever they CHOOSE to do. Just like me, the daughter of two conservatives. And because I wasn’t properly educated — just told to stay away — I wound up a single mom that the government gets to support.

  • Briana

    US politics are crazy. I’m in Canada and we’ve unfortunately gained another minority government with the Conservative party (what a waste of tax dollars – calling an early election to get practically the same results as before!). I had an argument with my mother over the phone about how I did not vote for the Conservatives, who do not support anything in my young, student life right now. I don’t support any particular party – I think the most important thing to do is always look at the platforms and vote for what supports what you believe the best.

    PS – At least your controversies are exciting; do you know how boring it is to hear about how the prime minister is now wearing sweater vests to appeal to families? Blech!

  • Anonymous

    #310…by the time a woman knows she is pregnant the baby is not a single cell organism…it has a heartbeat and brain waves. You are an idiot.

  • Grace

    “As if dictating my medical care based upon his religious beliefs is compassionate.”

    I always wonder why Liberals always compare “MY” medical care (or “MY” body) to the idea that life begins at conception as a religious belief. Many people who are not religious still believe that life begins at conception. Do not confuse the two, and then you will actually have a real statement there.

    I used to read Dooce every single day. Hell, I even check it at least 3 times a day, even on the weekends, because I loved it. I have been reading since day one.

    Now I am sickened by the fact that I have to read this garbage on your website, and at the same time helping you to build ad revenue to help support a Socialist.

    Consider this my last visit, though you may not even care. It was very, very fun while it lasted.

  • Sterling

    A legal expert I know has assured me that the idea of Roe v. Wade being overturned is preposterous, given the fact that our legal system relies on precedent. The idea generates lots of emotion, but it’s a moot point. No voter needs to fear that.

    That said, I don’t subscribe to the “abortion is OK no matter what” stance. Because in many instances there is NO DOUBT that what we are doing is killing babies. I’m not talking about cases where the mother’s health is in danger. In such cases clearly a choice must be made, and it is a painful, difficult process for the mother involved. I’m talking about something else. In many states late-term, partial-birth abortions are legal. These kids – and they are kids – are the same congenital age I was when I was born two months prematurely, weighing only 3 pounds. Should another “fetus,” at the same age and state of development that I was when I was born, be denied a chance to live? It isn’t just about “legislating my own womb.” The issue is much murkier than that. Apparently Obama believes this, too.

    It’s a bit two-faced of us, as a society, to declare that these aren’t children we’re killing, when, should a pregnant woman be murdered, we charge the killer with TWO counts of murder, not one. Is a fetus a child only if the mother decides to keep it?

    Women today have many choices. Some would say the “right to choose” comes at the time of having sex: whether to have sex, whether to have it responsibly, and what form of birth control one prefers. As a society, if we emphasized those choices and did a better job of educating our young women and men about them, there might be less need for abortions, which, while necessary in some circumstances, are being increasingly used as a form of birth control.

  • robyn

    I have to laugh at the women out there who think voting for McCain/Palin is a victory for women……if Palin is your brand of feminism, you are not doing your homework! Instead of voting for a vagina, perhaps you should look at the issues. Having Palin in office is a GIANT step backwards for women’s issues. Give your heads a shake!

  • Talon

    Actually, when I miscarried in 1998, I mourned the loss of a pregnancy. There was no baby in the picture. Or the ultrasound for that matter.

    And yes. So far as my body is concerned, all that matters is ME. Period. MY intent gives the fetus the rights I choose. Period. Other women choose differently, but they can’t force their beliefs on others. They TRY to, but ultimately, we will tell them to stuff it.

    My point, in the end is this: abortion, like it or not is a medical procedure. It has been around long before it was legislated. And it will continue to be around no matter how many woman or men will insist it is their divine right to “speak for the unborn.” They can speak for their own unborn…but they can’t speak for mine. They can choose to NOT have an abortion. They can choose to believe whatever they wish about what constitutes life, but in the end, the abortion issue ends up being a bodily integrity issue. You CANNOT compromise the right to bodily integrity. If you say that a woman must carry a pregnancy to term and give birth, then it is not such a slippery slope to begin telling people that they must give blood, or they must donate bone marrow, or they must donate sperm, or they must give up part of their intestines…it all sounds ludicrous…because it IS. Women MUST have the right to choose. Some will choose to carry, some will choose to carry and adopt out, some will choose to keep it, some will choose to abort…for whatever their reasons are, they MUST be free to choose what happens to THEIR bodies.

    THEIR rights, wishes, decisions, and ultimately their choices supersede whatever rights the fetus may have before viability. As I said, after viability, the state gives the fetus limited rights, and abortion at that time is so strictly regulated as to be a non-issue.

    I don’t tell pregnant women who say they’re expecting a baby that they’re wrong, and I don’t tell women who have suffered a miscarriage that they didn’t suffer a loss. I have a good deal of experience in grief counseling. But I also don’t tell women who choose to keep their pregnancies that they are wrong, and I don’t tell women who choose to abort that it is sunshine and daises. I don’t tell woman who choose to give their baby up that they should have aborted, or they should keep the baby. By being pro-choice, it means I respect the woman, I respect her decisions, and I respect her right to make those choices without MY interference.


    If you don’t agree with abortion, don’t have one. Most major religions are big on personal accountability. So if the reason is religious, it’s still none of your (general population) business.

  • http://www.jeppemorgenthaler.blogspot.com Jeppe


    Funny that the stupidest people usually leave their comments anonymously.

    The “I don’t need your political views, just your photos of your dogs”-comments seem to be posted by people who just don’t have a clue to what you and Jon essentially are about.

    I think I get a much fuller perspective of you from taking in all things and have them draw a much more detailed picture of you and your family. Old weird-ass-crazy-stuff mormon teenage diary included. It sets things in perspective, and tells a story of a human being who has done an uncanny good job of evolving, growing into a critical, humorous, loving person.

    From an international point of view, I cannot for the life of me comprehend that Republicans don’t get how much damage they have done (largely through GWB in person) over the last 8 years, to destroy the mental image of USA as “the good guys”. The scary thing is that USA has such a huge impact on the rest of the world that it really means the world -litterally- to us how you vote.

    Not just from a discussional perspective, but from a point of worrying about when WWIII will be kickstarted by some gun toading “either you’re with us or against us” black/white world-thinking republican moron, voted into office, either by religious rightwinged rednecks or merely through the system of electoral college, which -surprise, surprise- IS NOT DEMOCRATIC. I am not sure how many americans know this. This fact also makes it even more ironic to listen to rightwinged Americans rave about how USA can tech democracy. You can’t until you are truly living in a democracy yourselves.

    Don’t be afraid of a President who is smarter than you. THAT IS A GOOD THING! Vote Obama.

    (And for those of you thinking “Mind your own business”: Think about how you would feel if something I voted had a genuine impact on your life)

  • stacy

    I have to agree with a few of the posters here. I am disappointed that people would make such an important decision on one issue. An issue that has very little chance of being overturned at any point. With the WORLD in the state it is in right now this is not the only issue we would should use to make a decision.

    WENDY- the victims paying for the rape kits is a false story. The insurance companies were asked to pay for the rape kits which is standard procedure. All Sarah Palin did was to insure the hospital did not have to write off the cost and it was added to the bill for the insurance to cover. If no insurance was available it was then written off. That was confirmed by the city in Alaska.

    Please VOTERS, become informed by legitimate sources. I love blogs, I love Dooce. However, this is not the best forum to finds true facts to make intelligent decisions.

  • Talon

    By the way…all these pro-lifers saying that “exceptions should be made for victims of rape or incest” I have no respect for. Of course, I’m sure that breaks their hearts.

    The fetus is the same. Either you are about saving the “babies” or you are about punishing the woman for daring to have sex.

    You can’t have it both ways. No matter how the fetus got there, it’s the same.

    Sorry to burst your bubbles folks…

  • http://everydaysuperwoman.blogspot.com/ Super Woman (Amy G.)

    I couldn’t agree with those two women more.

    John McCain disgusts me with his ivory tower perspectives on the state of our country and what needs to be done to fix its problems, and I find his condescending smirks and remarks during every single debate infuriating enough to want to reach through my t.v. screen and slap him. His attitudes on abortion and his attacks on Obama for his votes on late-term abortion matters sent me into a fury. He’s a raging idiot!

    McCain has NO CLUE what the average person in America is going through right now. He has NO CLUE what it’s like to have ANY of his own rights taken away. And he has NO CLUE how to bring about the CHANGE that is desperately needed in this country. The idea of him in the Oval Office scares the living daylights out of me.

    Praying for a HUGE Obama win on election night,
    Super Woman in WI

  • Jill Mormon

    Quoted from another commenter: “My only question to everyone here is how do you justify killing someone. In my opinion a baby is a person the SECOND that conception occurs, the SECOND. Things happen and babies die, things happen and mothers die. It is sad either way. But Before I had my children I told my husband that if anything was to happen to me that they were to save my baby, I would lay down my own life for my children and I can’t imagine a mother that wouldn’t.”

    *raises hand*

    That would be me.

    I was 15. I was a virgin. I was brutally, repeatedly raped and beaten. So badly beaten and raped that I required surgery on multiple body parts. Somehow, because what I went through was not evil enough, I became pregnant from the attack. I had an abortion. I have never and will never regret my decision.

    You don’t get to pass that kind of judgment until you’ve tried on different shoes. And I don’t expect you to merely walk one mile here either.

    I’m a fricking MORMON and I believe, I KNOW I had every right to do what I did, and I would do it again without hesitation.

    Even my ultra-conservative, pro-life, evangelical parents agreed with me, and actually encouraged me to do what everyone considered to be the only choice.

    Not everything is so clean and easy. Thus the word choice, and its importance.

  • Ivan

    628…you’re right, that is how racism works. I had to read your post twice because I wasn’t sure what you said. I still don’t think you said what you THINK you said. Obama is in this race because he’s black. If he was another run of the mill white guy with a radical background (like Ayers), he’d be sitting at home watching Hillary and McCain debate the issues on TV. 95% of black Americans voting for Obama…THAT’S racism. Plain and simple.

    629. Your statements reek of Eugenics. Talk about racism…wow. Advocating abortions for poor people since they can’t take care of the babies? Classism, racism, all in one post. Scary. To think of the Supreme Court Justices YOU’D nominate. Chilling.

    Talon, we’ll agree to disagree. For the record, I’ve never tried to have it both ways. I agree that babies conceived through rape or incest are every bit as innocent as planned babies. People feel better about abortion in those cases because they rationalize that the baby would be hated or despised by the mother or some other reason like that. In those cases, some people seem to think the sensibilities of the mother outweight the right of the baby to pursue life, liberty and happiness. I don’t. Your slippery slope arguments are simple fallacies. People say the same thing about gay marriage…legalizing gay marriage will lead to legalizing bestiality, incest, yada yada yada. Proponents of gay marriage laugh at that, and I laugh at your straw men.

    I simply disagree with you that the rights of the baby start and end at you and your uterus. Being a man, I can’t have an abortion but that doesn’t mean I can’t have my views (or my vote) regardless of what the more radical among you say.

  • Anonymous

    Pro-choice = pro-abortion = pro killing babies. Deal with it

  • http://talulahmankiller.wordpress.com/ talulah_m

    So I made it through the first hundred comments or so, and this is what I’ve gathered so far:

    1.) Abortion is a form of birth control.
    2.) Alternative forms of birth control are easy to get.
    3.) Mothers should never abort children, even to save their own lives, because that would be “selfish.”
    4.) It’s silly to vote based on “one issue,” no matter what that issue might be.

    This last one is what really gets to me. I grew up in the Bible Belt too, so I’m used to all the other ridiculous, over-the-top arguments, but the last one is just…think, people. THINK. I have a uterus. Whether I like it or not, that biological fact can determine the course of my life. For me, and for many women of childbearing age, poverty is always one unplanned pregnancy away. One broken condom, one moment of bad judgment away. Hell, it might even be one date rape away. So no, the right to choose isn’t the “only” deciding factor in my vote, but it’s a major one; because I’m a woman, and I’m young and unmarried and making enough to keep myself and no one else. I need to keep my options open, and I need a candidate who understands that. Obama’s not perfect–he leaves much to be desired in this area, frankly–but he’s worlds better than McCain. And yeah, maybe you’re at a point in your life where this isn’t an issue for you anymore; more power to ya. But don’t try to tell *me* that this is unimportant or that Heather is irresponsible for bringing it up or blah, blah, blah, whatever self-serving crap you’re going to spout. Save it.

  • KT

    The other day I had a conversation with my friend who told me she is voting for McCain SOLELY because of his view on abortion. She DOESN’T even AGREE with him on issues that would matter to her family, one being that her children are on state assisted health care and she’s not even covered! Anyway, I was so irritated for the rest of the day that she would take ONE issue that probably will NEVER change to decide her vote. I spent the rest of the day reading up on Roe v. Wade to learn if ANY republican pres. has ever done anything to reverse it. Anyway, that’s not the point.

    I have to admit that I was very anti-abortion, and until I read those blogs I didn’t know how 100% ignorant I was. Those stories were heart wrenching and I can’t imagine having to make that choice. Thank you for helping to open up my eyes on the issue and give me something else to think about and learn.

    Also, have you ever read the book, What’s The Matter With Kansas? If not, I think you’d like it. It’s basically about how the conservatives have managed to “punk” the US to get people to vote Republican even if that means voting against their own economic interests based soley on morals. It’s interesting, and frightenly true.

  • SarahJ

    Absolutely agree with the post and with you posting it.

    I don’t really understand why people get up in arms when you post something with regards to your political views.. this is a BLOG. Regardless of what readers think, blogs are about the individual views of the blogger. If they disagree they can either: a) not read it, b) read it and choose to learn something about people with differing views, or b) write their own blog.

  • Anonymous
  • tedders

    Eloquent and lucid Ivan #629

    sorry ’bout the double post.

  • http://bigpikchur.blogspot.com HouseofJules

    One more reason I’m not voting for McCain. I already knew his stance on abortion was the opposite of mine, but reading both of those snippets from other blogs made me shudder. Like another commenter wrote, he’s seemingly a good enough MAN, but not the man I’d like to see as our president.

  • http://pixels2picture.typepad.com MacChick

    The bigger issue here is more than just abortion and a woman’s right to chose what is right for her body. The issue is that of human rights that we worked long and hard to obtain. This will be “just the beginning” if McCain is elected. Our rights will be evoked, one by one.

  • tedders

    Ivan #633 was Ivan #629 when I posted tedders # 635!

    Eloquent and lucid Ivan #629

    sorry ’bout the double post.

  • http://www.mrsbroth.blogspot.com mrs b roth

    First off, I’m NOT voting for McCain because I DO support traditional family values – like not having affairs and leaving your wife and kids for a hot young heiress, and having a parent home to raise and supervise the kids. Doing what is best for the FAMILY.

    However, I do not agree that abortion is a right. It should always be an option when a woman’s life is at risk or if her right to choose was denied at conception, but I will never understand why a woman can or should be able to choose to end a life she chose to start. The choosing time comes before the baby is made – this is NOT the 50′s; women and men have unlimited access to contraception. We treat life and sex much too frivolously.

    Having watched the adoption process take place, I think every child is entitled to have a mom and dad who WANT to be a mom and dad and going through the pain and inconvenience of child birth beats the pants off ending a perfect potential person. Don’t be a mom if you’re not ready, but aborting for reasons of inconvenience or embarrassment are not sufficient.


    a blue dot in a red state.

  • http://www.k8mc.wordpress.com Kate

    Thanks so much for highlighting these posts. I hope they are read and spread to women all over the country. Saying that people who are “pro-choice” are actually “pro-abortion” is a ridiculous assumption and the most immature statement I’ve ever heard.

  • Catherine

    You know, it always annoys me when bloggers DON’T mention politics. Are they not paying attention, do they not have opinions? Are they worried their opinions are going to piss people off? I don’t know, but it just seems so *fake* if they can’t ever bring up what’s going on in the world around them.

    I know you get a lot of crap like “just be funny, don’t get political” and “I don’t come here to read your political opinions”, but screw those people. If they find the rest of your life enjoyable enough to read about every few days, then they should also have to deal with the fact that you are an actual human being, with actual *opinions* about various subjects.

    Because you do talk politics, I have that much more respect for you.

  • Emily

    147 – So since I had a growing pregnancy in my fallopian tube and I had it removed, did I kill my baby? Even knowing that as it continued to grow, my tube would have burst, at a minimum would have lost my tube, and I could have easily died?

  • Anonymous

    “157. Sandra said:

    Dear Jill comment #33 :

    I hope you get hit by a bus and then when you get all better you can comment on how much you don’t support affordable health care and I hope your dead mother is proud of you.

    People like you make me physically ill and I pray to God you do not vote.”

    WOW!! Just, well, wow. That is so terribly sad to me.

  • Anonymous

    Only pointing out how absolutely stupid your comment was, Ivan. Ramble on and look like an idiot, if you wish. I bet you’re sitting there scratching your balls and sniffing the dick cheese beneath your nails, you’re that bored.

    And quite obviously I hit a nerve, didn’t I? My moral compass was tossed two pages back when narrow-minded dolts like yourself tried to challenge an issue that wasn’t even the center of this discussion to begin with just to read yourself on a popular blog.

    “People feel better about abortion in those cases because they rationalize that the baby would be hated or despised by the mother or some other reason like that.”

    There’s another doozie from you. I do love quoting your stupidity. It makes me smile. Give us more!

    And, no, 617 wasn’t me. What else ya got?

  • Shannon

    Both of those blogs were very well written and I could not agree with each of them more.

    I actually left a couple of comments on Julie’s blog and I forwarded that entry to a few of people I know who are voting McCain. I was rewarded with several pictures of aborted fetuses for my troubles, with the idea that seeing what my vote for “baby killer Hussein” was going to cause. Apparently, showing photos of dead babies to a pregnant woman not even considering abortion is a “wake up call”.

    There is so much ignorance. So much.

    Thank you for posting these, Heather. I think everyone should have to read these before they cast their votes this election.

  • http://www.holdingthespace.blogspot.com amber

    actually 387 we are not paying heather’s salary. her ad deals are. and yes, i realize they are connected to her click count, but to say she is responsible to her voluntary readers is really stretching it. and don’t you big girl me, because sometimes there are some things that you need to get riled up about. sometimes there are some things that deserve a good f bomb. sometimes there are some things that are so ridiculous that this professional writer with multiple university degrees just needs to say “fuck” to.

    oh, and if you think my swears are immature? why are you reading a website that talks about poop and sweaty goat balls? not that i think heather is immature, i just fail to see your logic on that one.

    anyway, ending the comment hijack. rock on dooce, as always.

  • Ivan

    Are you serious? Do you read the things you post? Everyone….THIS is what passes for intelligent commentary on the left. Dick cheese.

    This is classic lefty behavior that we are witnessing throughout the country during this election cycle. People like, ahem, ANONYMOUS, don’t like what you have to say so they resort to vile, profanity laced attacks in an attempt to shout you down. Naturally, it’s all done as part of a mob or a single anonymous voice. If nobody can ID you, you can’t get the crap kicked out of you for being a jackass in public.

    Also note how this person calls others “narrow-minded,” despite completely discounting and ridiculing any and all competing views. Nothing to counter or convince, just name calling and hatred. Talk about narrow minded. When somebody tells you they are “broadminded,” or a “freethinker,” that’s usually the first sign are they are anything but.

    Anonymous, please keep talking. It’s tools like you that will eventually bury the left in America by exposing it for the hate filled, intolerant crowd they are.

  • Anonymous

    #112 Unforunately, this is getting way off topic, but you can’t insist that pro-lifers be called “ani-choice” any more than pro-lifers can call you “pro-abortion.”

  • Annie

    I’ve never commented on your blog, but feel the need to comment tonight. (Chuck rocks, btw!)

    I find it fascinating that you and so many of your readers are all about pro-choice when it comes to abortion, but yet you feel the need to preach to others about who they should or should not vote for. That, too, is a choice. A precious one. And not one that most of us take lightly. As a woman, I’m very aware of what my female predecessors had to go through to win the right to vote. I take it very seriously. I weigh all the factors with each candidate, and I vote in every election, including local ones.

    That being said… I am proudly voting for McCain. Not specifically for this issue, but it’s one of the many that I agree with him on.

    McCain’s “air quotes” was referring to the typical stretching of definitions on the liberal right for things like this. When a woman’s “health” (read: mental health) is at risk because of not wanting to bear and raise a child, then, YUP! Go ahead! Get that abortion! It’s OK! You’re health was at stake! I’m a woman who has been struggling with infertility for almost 4 years. The cavalier attitude that some women have about getting abortions as a form of birth control is sickening.

    The thought of Obama in the White House frightens me just as much as some of you say that McCain frightens you. It’s fascinating that reasonable thinking people could be on such opposite sides of an issue.

  • Talon

    Ivan…tell me one thing. How does legalizing gay marriage compromise a person’s bodily integrity? It doesn’t. Gay marriage and gay rights are a civil rights issue. Abortion is a bodily integrity issue. You cannot even force the worst felon on death row to give blood to save an innocent child.

    The two aren’t even remotely comparable.

    My arguments aren’t ridiculous because once you say a woman must donate the use of her uterus no matter what she wishes, that sets a precedent for demanding the use of other body parts, regardless of the wishes of the person to whom the body belongs.

    I won’t tell you that your views on abortion are wrong, because they are your views. But your view on bodily integrity and the danger it would be in if abortion were made illegal IS.

  • http://frettingthesmallstuff.typepad.com andrea

    Thank you so much for sharing those posts. They moved me and reaffirmed my belief that abortion is a very private decision that needs to be protected.

  • http://www.holdingthespace.blogspot.com amber

    oops, my appolgies 387 i was talking to the hide behind the anon 378.

  • Andrea

    Seriously? If you are basing your vote solely on the abortion issue then WAKE UP!! Don’t you think there are more important issue’s?

  • katie

    sterling, so my ‘choice’ to have sex with my husband while on the pill which ended in pregnancy somehow makes me uneducated? the sweeping generalizations are just staggering.

    i said it before, shit happens. even to educated, married adults. get over it.

  • Sue

    Feel free to share a little serious with your funny. Intelligent adults can take it.
    And you’re absolutely right, your civil rights are more important than comedy and it’s your damn blog, say what you want!
    As a Canadian, I watch this election with tremendous intrepidation and can only hope that enough people vote for the only sane choice- OBAMA/BIDEN.
    As for the idiot palin, only in America would such nonsense be given any credence at all.

  • RJ

    Jill-I don’t know if you are Christian or not, but your views on health care seem very Un-Christian to me.

    It kills me that the people who spout about what I should do with MY body, and whether or not consenting adults can be married-are the same people who don’t think that we all bare responsibility for anyone else but ourselves. Is that Christian? Is that what Jesus was all about? I thought Jesus was about caring for those less fortunate, about NOT judging others . . . about Giving!

    I do think health care is a right.

    And if that doesn’t convince you, I’ll remind you that we all pay anyways. For all the preventive care that people without health care can’t afford . . . guess who pays when they end up in the hospital? Oh, and I hope you and your parents never plan on using Medicare, right? That would be taking away from the taxpayers . . . guess you’re on your own then too!

  • Anonymous

    #390 – I find you even more pitiful now that I know that you are a “professional writer with multiple university degrees” (and why was that important???? or did you just feel the need to toot your own horn??) There is a vast difference in reading a witty column that talks about poop and reading something written by a raving maniac who thinks that her post will somehow take on a new significance through the use of profanity. Grow up….

  • http://www.createeachday.blogspot.com Kathryn

    Feel sorry for me-I’m in AZ! I can’t believe that we are still going red, even though anyone who has dealt with McCain can’t stand the man! At least my whole family* (in laws included) are voting Obama.

    *except my brother who still thinks Ron Paul is god on earth-don’t ask, I think my Dad may have drop kicked him one time too many.

  • Sandra

    Dear Jill comment #33 :

    I hope you get hit by a bus and then when you get all better you can comment on how much you don’t support affordable health care and I hope your dead mother is proud of you.

    People like you make me physically ill and I pray to God you do not vote.

  • Katie

    What is scary is how easy Obama wants to continue to make it for a woman to kill her child.
    50 million dead humans. Future presidents, doctors, lawyers, artists, moms, dads…. who knows, who cares, their moms had the right. Sadly, they continue to have none.

  • Medical Doctor

    As a doctor I must say to all the pro-lifers, please check your facts about life and pregnancy! One CANNOT mount an argument based in religion against science. Have your faith all you want and need. Just keep it the hell away from my obs/gyn practice.

    OBAMA/BIDEN 2008