• barbara

    I’m kind of torn with this health care bill. I think we need SOME kind of reform, but I definitely don’t agree with all of it. I think about the years I was in college and didn’t have health insurance. I was in school working two jobs, and still couldn’t afford to get coverage. I hope that the bill will help out people that are in a similar situation as I once was, but at the same time, I know it’s going to help out people that are too lazy to take proper care of themselves. That’s what gets me mad. But I guess nothing is perfect.

  • jan001

    Something else just occurred to me as I was posting my comment above:

    I will have a benefit I hadn’t thought of before — I have decent insurance but there have definitely been times I did not go to the doctor when I probably should have, for fear they would diagnose something that would then follow me around, insurance-wise, making either me or at least that disorder or whatever, uninsurable in the future. I won’t have to worry about that anymore.

    Wow. Cool.

  • d3 voiceworks

    frEEkin’ classic that a “re-elect bob bennett” (r-ut) pop-up ad comes on the screen here. just another gop’er against health care reform.

  • Indiana Lori

    Melanoma, Stage Zero, almost no risk of return. Healthy, healthy lifestyle, healthy eating, never smoked a day in my life: denied coverage. I’ve been insured for 38 years…denied because I don’t work for some big company and can’t be pooled with tons of workers. Even though I can PAY!

    We may not always agree politically, but that flyer is a joke. What kind of flunky ding dong put that together?

    I’m glad as a nation we are discussing elevating our care of each other. We are a developed nation and the richest on the world. Kids shouldn’t be hungry. People should have basic healthcare. SIMPLE concepts. Food, health, shelter. We should have these things.

  • dietdplovingmom

    While I don’t agree with the passing of the healh care bill, I do agree with your assessment of that flyer. Please note that people like that are not typical on the right. That flyer is extremely crazy, ignorant, and oh my word scary.

  • 23hippos

    amen, sister!

  • crazycatladyinthemaking

    Hope is in the air, American. Congratulations on taking a teeny step towards the day where you all can take your health care pretty much for granted like we do up in Canada. We’re rooting for you.

  • d3 voiceworks

    and lookie here!
    “utah will sue to stop health reform”

  • rider of the pendulum

    Unfortunately, I think we missed the boat here. The real issue as far as I am concerned is that the minute hospitals began being run for profit instead of people is when things zipped out of control. The same goes for insurance companies. I realize that these places have to make some money to be able to keep current but it is a crime what some, most of the hospitals and insurance companies make. They are the ones that need reform and profits should be limited and then put directly in funds for specifics, like equipment, uninsured, research etc.
    The CEO of one of our local hospitals is friends with my father in law, at a luncheon they both attended, the CEO was explaining that they had so much excess money that they built a multi million dollar, un-needed hospital south of town. And he makes several million a year. Did you all know that this goes on? Again, this is where we should have started. A large % of excess dollars should go directly back into health care.

  • deepthoughts78

    It is simply terrifying that the same people who believe that garbage also have the right to vote in this country.

  • Holyoke Home

    Favorite part? “the Homosexuals and the lesbians.”

    That part was awesome.

  • Be Like The Squirrel Girl

    I agree that it is not perfect, but it is a step in the right direction. I hope it means that my dad won’t be denied coverage for his pre-existing condition (liver transplant), and that the children with whom I work can have better coverage for the things they need, and that people without coverage will stop going to the emergency room for basic care.

    Also, we live in a scary state. I’m glad I didn’t get one of those fliers, but based on the message bills that came out of this past legislative session, I think the elected officials could easily have written it.

    One more thing: Mitt Romney is supporting Bob Bennett at the top of this page. What?!

  • Roo8382

    Thanks for this post, Heather. So many people are satisfied with their health care (yay!) and can’t put a face to the uninsured (boo!). I honestly think that’s one the main reasons so many people believe the Republicans’ lies about this issue. They just don’t know anyone who doesn’t have health insurance and so they assume the uninsured are lazy, unemployed, system-working, Welfare queens.

    I would love to see those people who tried to tear down this bill come face to face with the uninsured. They would see how hard people are struggling to get by. To make them tell a mother who’s child has a pre-existing condition: Tough shit. No health insurance for you. You aren’t deserving enough because your child is too sick and we’d rather keep our money and hide behind some principled anti-socialist bullshit.

    Grrr. Alright, enough ranting… back to work! Thanks again for the great post.

  • nobody

    That the bill will reduce your costs and risks does not mean that it is fair to anyone else, or good for the economy, or conducive to a healthy politics.

    That the bill is in _your_ interest, I already know. That it is not in _others’_ interests, you prefer to ignore, or dismiss under sloppy talk of “rights”.

    The flyer has nothing to do with any of this. I’m sure you would prefer to imagine that anyone who disagrees with you is a narrowminded idiot, but this is simply not the case.

    You would do well to think on this: if you may ignore the opinions of others, and elect people who will elevate your interests above those of others and the country, why can others not do the same? On what basis can you justly object when others win power, and use that power in the service of their own interests?

    Your best hope, and the country’s, is that the people you have momentarily defeated are more thoughtful, and wiser, and more generous, than you.

  • greenplanner

    Ten years ago I had a surgery instead of having the option to wait and see if a condition resolved itself on its own, all because I was changing jobs and would be losing my insurance, soon. That’s not a good enough reason to have someone cut your body open and take parts out, and I wish I hadn’t had to err on the side of ‘caution’.

  • d3 voiceworks


    how are 32m people without health insurance NOT in_others_interests?

  • Momsword

    What gets me is watching the videos of the people protesting health care reform and most of them are people who are medicare age. The ones who aren’t are just angry about everything. I hated watching the clips of the ass throwing money at that man suffering from parkinsons. Now we need the momentum to reach what should have been the goal in the first place, medicare for all. I would be willing to pay a couple of hundred a month to the government for health care that I can depend on, rather than watching premiums sky rocket so insurance companies can give execs big bonuses.

  • WilderChick

    @jan001, I have had that exact same fear of being diagnosed with something that would have turned me into one of the insurance ‘untouchables’. It’s nice to be able to let go of that fear now.

    I have many self-employed friends that have been just ‘risking it’ by going without insurance. I dearly hope that this bill will make it easier for them to have some sort of coverage. I also hope to be self-employed soon, and I feel like this is definitely a (albeit small) step in the right direction!

  • Gwenevere

    If you have truth, then share it, don’t ridicule others who haven’t gotten there yet. What good can that possibly bring?

    Yes we can joy in our successes and fight for what we believe in, but we should be wise enough to understand that NO ONE IS EVER ALL RIGHT OR ALL WRONG. We want others to understand us but we have no desire to understand others. If we can’t learn to do this, what hope is there for humanity?

  • poopinginpeace

    Oh yes, people really do believe that. My crazy christian cousin WANTS to go to Civil War over this. Or she wants to move the the Philippines and live with her in-laws. Good luck with health care there I say! She believes that this is just another sign of the “end of days”. I’m so not kidding about that. Wish I were. We live in a time where people are politically and religiously crazy and for some reason health care got thrown in with all that. I just don’t get it.

  • Hedda

    You know… I have watched the cost of my healthcare rise (and I have pretty damn good healthcare) and have had to deal with the BS of the insurance company.
    My insurance company has told me how to take birth control (no, they won’t cover Seasonale even though my doctor prescribed it as medically necessary because they think it is “too convenient” for women), how to take acid reflux meds (my doctor had to send an affidavit stating I had tried all other OTC meds first before they’d even consider covering it), and what to take (they stopped covering a medicine that was working without any reason for doing so).

    So, when idiots say to me that we are “socializing” halthcare and the government will run it, I say, “Good!” Even though I know this is not really what’s happening, if I have a choice between the government running healthcare or the fat cats who run the insurance companies dictating my quality of healthcare, then I’ll pick the socialist nation any old day of the week, thank you very much.

    That said. It’s scary that there are people who are unable and unwilling to look at the BIG picture as to what this healthcare reform means and the potential it has to improve everyone’s lives.

  • Cadet25

    My favorite comment I read yesterday after it passed: “Didn’t the Nazi’s universal health care involve special ‘health camps’ where you could receive a ‘shower treatment’?” Seriously??? By no means is it wrong to disagree with health care reform-many people do. But you aren’t intelligent enough to come up with a cohesive, rhetorically sound argument against it? All you can do is pick something terrible in history and say it’s exactly the same despite sharing no similarities that I can identify. This is why I don’t have the patience for political discourse and debate anymore. It devolves into something completely illogical. I can’t debate crazy!

  • Midnight

    Amen. I buy our company’s health insurance policy and as a small business (<50 employees), we’ve seen our costs increase over 300% in the past 10 years. It’s crazy. Every year, I brace myself for the notice from the health insurance company telling us they’re going to increase our rate another 20%, because then I have to change benefits to try to reduce the increase and what happens is that my boss is mad because his costs went up and all the employees are mad because their benefits changed…and they’re all mad at me!

    That flyer is batshit crazy.

  • mightymarce

    THANK YOU for posting this, and for the links with info on the bill. I’ve been trying to figure out what it all means, but I’m pretty sure most of it is good. I can easily think of a few people in our immediate circle whom this will benefit already. Yay to the US for finally coming to our sense.

  • kirst

    Here’s a must read on the topic, that points to some of what you are saying:

    “or the most part, however, opponents of reform didn’t even pretend to engage with the reality either of the existing health care system or of the moderate, centrist plan — very close in outline to the reform Mitt Romney introduced in Massachusetts — that Democrats were proposing.

    Instead, the emotional core of opposition to reform was blatant fear-mongering, unconstrained either by the facts or by any sense of decency.”

  • Gwenevere

    To leonierobin “I do not understand what part of healthcare for all that is so threatening.”

    Healthcare for all is not what is so threatening, it’s the fact that it took over a ream of paper to say it.

    Where are the “green” activists when you need them?

  • ade

    Oh God…I do hate when you do political commentary. Although I’ve learned better than to actually read what you have to say, as I can usually find all your spewed rhetoric copied from every other liberal garbage site out there. BLEH… So I say to myself when these posts are written “Why-oh-why can’t I quit you???” You’re like a toxic lover that I keep begging to take me back, even though you beat me to within an inch of my life every time. I do…I take you off my reader…then a month goes by and I get bored and peak at your site, and then I peak everyday until I’m like “screw it, bitch is funny,” and BAM…just like that I put you back onto my reader. I’ve quit Perez Hilton…but I can’t quit you…FUCK!

  • pingersgal

    I agree with you Heather….while it does not immediately affect my family (husband is 3 months shy of 20 years Navy!) as we have military health insurance…I have watched as friends have to chose between putting groceries on their tables or taking their kids to the Doctor. As a Canadian (yah..I fell for an American Sailor boy!) I am used to gov’t run health care..does it have its down sides? Yes…but for the MOST part it is great! Everyone has health care! I think long term that this bill is good for the US!

  • kariberi

    Im still stuck on the fact that your husband was denied for hayfever. Frickin hay-fever. WTF? What is next, denied because your momma dresses you funny?

  • isumom

    22 years ago my husband had brain surgery. It cost a total of $5,000. A month ago our daughter had arthroscopic surgery on both of her knees and it cost $10,000. Luckily we had insurance coverage both times, but the cost of a surgery that took 20 minutes compared to one that took 6 hours is insane. Yes, I know 22 years is a long time ago, but the cost has still skyrocketed. A better example of why we need health care reform? My cousin has a hole in her heart, she was born with it, but over the years it has gotten larger. Now she needs open heart surgery to basically save her life. Her insurance company won’t pay for it because they say the surgery is “elective”. Surprisingly no mention of a pre-existing condition!

    We need change and this bill is a good start. My employer pays 100% of my insurance. We personally pay for my husband and three children (my husband is self-employed). All of us are with the same company, yet my coverage is substantially less than what we have for the rest of the family. My employer pays almost double for me over what we pay for 4 people. Insanity!

    I agree with you Heather, this is a good thing and I am glad it was passed.

  • Nancy D.

    This is MommyCommenting…..

    My 18 year old daughter was born with a heart defect. It would have killed her or neccessitated a heart/lung transplant had it not been fixed. It was. She’s fine. Her heart is in better shape than most of us who have no pre-existing conditions.

    But she would be denied on the open market.

    My husband, her father, was unemployed and we were very very fortunate to have COBRA and be able to just ‘convert’ our COBRA to an individual plan. We HAVE coverage. It’s a boatload of money each month but we ARE covered.

    But my teenage daughter has been worried that she will never get health insurance once she was too old to be on our, albeit poor, insurance. She was right.

    Now she can stay on ours until age 27. By that time, she cannot be denied coverage. Hopefully by that time, she won’t have crap coverage as her only option.

    Most countries have some version of public health insurance. Many of them live longer healthier lives than Americans. Of course, they start that way and don’t need coverage so they can lose 100 pounds. Or more. They don’t need their arteries cleaned out. They don’t stuff their faces with starches and sugar and need massive amounts of insulin and other diabetic supplies.

    My 18 year old daughter has been fully vaccinated, has reminded ME that she is due for booster shots. She gets her flu shot every year. Is RARELY ill with even the common cold. She has no allergies. Other than that, now repaired, hole in her heart she is shockingly healthy. But an insurance company would deny her coverage but Rush Limbaugh and his previously obese Oxy Addicted self wouldn’t because he can afford “continuous coverage” at any price.

    It’s shameful. It’s sinful. It’s insane.

    This measure simply restores a bit of sanity.

  • kelp30

    I’ll be so very very grateful when insurance companies stop trying to be doctors… when silly little 21-year old actuaries stop making life or death decisions that should be made by trained professionals.

    Amen to health care reform. Bring on INSURANCE REFORM.

    I’ll vote YES.

  • Cyclothymia

    To the people who claim that the uninsured did have access to health care because they could go to the emergency room:

    There is a profound difference between acute care and preventative/maintenance care. The uninsured and underinsured did not have access to preventative/maintenance care, and as a result conditions that should have been manageable through relatively cheap interventions frequently balloon into problems requiring much more intensive care – with the associated increases in cost of care, lost wages, and diversion of health care resources.

    No man is an island, and when your fellow human beings are sinking, you WILL be dragged down with them. A society’s success can be measured by how their most vulnerable citizens are treated, and in that respect, in light of our resources, the US is embarrassingly backward. Even if you don’t believe that health care is a right, you should be able to appreciate that providing health care access to all results in a more productive, safer, BETTER community. It is in your self-interest to support it.

    I don’t believe this bill is ideal, and as a current medical student I am probably one of the people most directly financially affected – but I do support it. I believe that we need to get the ball rolling, if only so that people can see that the world will not burst into communist baby killer flames when pen touches paper for the signing. The debate is far from over, but hopefully now that the band-aid is ripped off we can find a way to move past this partisan nastiness.

  • ramblin red


    Longtime lurker here and I SO AGREE! I am far from completely informed on the bill (need to do my duty and read it in entirety) but what I do know of it, it is what we need! Not perfect, but step in the right direction….and giver of life to so many people like you who were condemned by pre-existing conditions.

  • gatorchrissy

    I actually winced when I saw the title to the post, but actually, I thought what you wrote and the way you wrote it made sense. Although we can agree to disagree, compared to some of the madness I’ve seen this weekend, this was a nice change.

    I would like to add that although I don’t agree with this bill, that flyer is some scary shit. Don’t think that everyone that doesn’t want health care reform is running out looking for guns and getting ready to secede from the union. Just as there are crazies from the left, there are crazies from the right as well.


    PS Hay Fever? Are you shitting me? That’s one of the weirdest pre-existing conditions I’ve ever seen, no wonder you’re jacked up about this bill.

  • twelvedaysold

    Amen, sister! I’m lucky enough to have a company that bends over backwards trying to get affordable health care for it’s employees, and with my background in payroll, I know firsthand how much people can get screwed just to cover their kids. What I find most ridiculous is that someone with a pre-existing condition who is denied insurance, is then taxed to pay for the poor who don’t have insurance who go on state health plans. Does that make any sense? It is beyond me that the US hasn’t been taking care of its people long before now. Universal health care won’t be perfect, but it won’t screw as many people over as it does now.

  • margalit

    You know what I did today? I made doctor appointments for my two kids to see the cardiologist for their pre-existing condition. The one they were BORN with, and had in the womb. Yeah. That one. I now know that they can get the echocardiograms and ekgs that they need yearly and that their insurance will pay the full freight.

    I live in Massachusetts where the HRC bill got it’s shape and form. We have required health insurance. We make people pay a fine if they are not insured. That fine is <$300 for a year uninsured. That money goes into a high risk pool for subsidies to those that can’t afford insurance. Because we have mandated insurance, we also have (gasp)a public option called Mass Health (Medicaid). It has MANY faults. MANY. But it also covers every child in MA that needs insurance. There would be no pre-existing conditions for Leta or Marlo.

    I don’t think HRC is perfect. Or anywhere near perfect. But it’s a start and although we have a long way to go, I believe that the tea-baggers and lunatic fringe of the right wing aren’t going to continue to burn so bright with all the associated racism and hatred. Americans aren’t all morons, thank God, and eventually these nuts are going to start hanging themselves with assaults on politicians. Spitting IS an assault, you know!

    I’ve lived in England, the Nederlands, and Israel. All three countries have “socialized” medicine, although each is run differently from the other. No place I’ve lived can understand what the hell Americans are so up in arms about concerning health care. For once the rest of the world can breathe easier knowing that Republicans can be beaten. And will continue to be beaten as long as they continue acting like petulant children and sulking like the poor losers they are.

  • Lizzy

    Many people are worried that it will be impossible to see a health care provider when “everyone is insured”. They don’t understand that “everyone” is already seeing a health care provider, it’s just in the ER where costs are high. With insurance, costs will be lower because people can take care of their health in the physician’s/nurse practitioner’s office.

    I’m afraid of the morons who wrote that flyer. And yes… I said “morons”. Let’s hope there are more of us than them.

  • Pixie

    Thanks for the post! We were watching the results on-and-off all day yesterday…..right up to the final vote. I live in Massachusetts, pay my own health insurance and premiums are high– but at least now, I can shop around, without the worries of pre-existing conditions and my daughter can be covered under my plan for a few more years. This bill is a step in the right direction. Let’s start refining this health care bill–making it better, keep educating people on health issues [so stupid flyers, like the one that got tucked into your door handle will NOT be necessary] and perhaps by the time my daughter is 26, there will be the public option [my daughter is 16 now]…..think it can be done in 10 years? I think it CAN with lots of hard work by people like us.

  • jnlittle

    I just want to say thank you thank you thank you for posting this. People really need to hear real stories of regular folks getting denied because of preexisting conditions. Some of my friends who are professionals are in the same boat as you. Its not just “poor lazy people without jobs”. In addition, the crazies behind your flyer also MUST be exposed, the mainstream media refuses to do it and the Republicans urge them on. It is terrifying and sad for our country. We must find a way to have civil dialog around the important issues of our day. So again, thank you for being brave enough to post this. You are putting yourself out there and I’m sure getting hammered by some of these comments. But your courage to discuss this can make a difference!

  • Gwenevere

    to kelp30…

    …and 70+ WEALTHY politicians who have Cadillac health care are a better alternative than “silly little 21-year old actuaries”?

    I’m revealing my ignorance by asking this question, but I’m ok with that, I can’t learn unless I ask. So get on with it right? Can you direct me to the portion of the bill that states that doctors will have full discretion on how to treat their patients?

  • Vander

    I love that Ade disagrees with Heather’s political commentary but admits she doesn’t read it, assuming it is the same as every other liberal blogger.

    Nothing like making up your mind based on assumptions!

  • d3 voiceworks

    and that ade COMMENTS here! maybe there’s a cure for that–maybe time to see a doc.

    if you can get an appointment.

  • sgigs

    The hysteria over the bill is really sad and pathetic. We pay more money for uninsured then we ever will otherwise.

  • napagirl

    I’m fine with my taxes increasing. To get this done correctly, it will need more funding so that the deficit doesn’t continue to increase the way it has for the last decade. I’ll pay more for my insurance and possibly wait a little longer for my appointments and maybe jump through an additional hoop or two getting my care but you know what? It’s the right thing to do.
    This plan is so new that the details and benefits won’t be seen for some time and even if I don’t live to see the day that it is making real progress, it’s still the right thing to do. I’m fine with paying for others to have care and done being embarrased that we, as a Country haven’t been able to do it long ago.

  • Belly Girl

    I think people are insanely unaware about what this plan means for them as individuals. I get the impression that people are listening to rants on their favorite talk radio station and then regurgitating it as their own thoughts. Nothing irritates me more than the uninformed getting on their soapboxes.

    Check out this cool tool to see what the bill passing will actually mean to you and your family. I think you’ll be surprised:

  • AshesVonDust

    Wait… Jon got denied health insurance because he has hay fever? HAY FEVER?
    I don’t understand how this works in the States, but I can’t wrap my head around “since you have HAY FEVER! (like SHINGLES!) you have to pay out the ass just to NOT die”
    This makes no sense to me. HAY FEVER!!!
    “I’m sorry, Mr.Armstrong, but your rectal prolapse cannot be treated unless you pay for it yourself, because you get wheezy in the summer. Here’s an ass sling.”

    What makes even less sense is that people are against health care? I don’t understand. I read in the paper that they figure in a decade this health bill will cost some-odd billion dollars, which, excuse me if I am incorrect, but this amount seems to be less than what has been spent on wars alone in the past decade?

    I keep seeing Americans posting that they want to say NO to “socialist health care”! They say Socialist like people used to throw around the word Communist. They say Canada has socialist health care. If we’re socialists, then long live socialism, because I have yet to see a neighbour get kicked out onto the streets because their kid got sick.

    GGRRRAAAHHH none of this makes sense to me!

    (HAHAHA the CAPTCHA is “to outrage”! Appropriate, heh)

  • Ranger

    I am not the Ranger who is a relative of our gracious host(ess). May the new bill benefit those health care opponents who vociferate against it. (I may have made up that word but it explains the hot air pretty well) The fact that it will benefit everyone illustrates what a wonderful country we have. Imagine such opposition in, say, Cuba.

  • LucyCooper

    delurking to share with you a friend’s Facebook status today:

    “The health care reform bill passed. Oh, and the President is black. If you don’t like it, kill yourself.”

    Rip me up all you want. I laughed my ass off when I read that.

  • hender_sk

    Yay! Butterflies and gumdrops for everyone! Money will now start falling from trees, and all your worries will be gone!

    Get real.