• rkray3

    I’m another reader with a horror story. My mom and dad owned their own business for years, and paid out of pocket for medical care, rather than carrying insurance (pre-existing conditions for both of my parents made the premiums insane). Well, the thing everyone hopes doesn’t happen when you don’t have insurance happened – my mother contracted breast cancer four years ago, and in the process of trying to pay for treatment, they lost their business, declared bankruptcy, and very nearly lost their home. So yes, I’m very glad of the reforms – while it doesn’t fix everything, it’s a step.

  • 911 Doc

    I’m so glad you posted this today, Heather. As the 26th most influential media person in the country, I am hopeful that your real-life example of how this is going to benefit you and your family (as well as highlight the absurdities of denying people coverage for pre-existing conditions) will prompt dissenters to think again about this issue.

    This bill is far from perfect, far from what it could have been in terms of real reform, but I am happy it passed, for it is a critically important step in the right direction for America.

    For what it’s worth.

  • sunshinecupcakes

    Gah. I’m happy that Leta has a fighting chance for decent health care now. I can only imagine the flailing going on in your house yesterday! So glad you posted this blog today, I hope you get a lot of good responses and the assholes keep their mouths shut today.

  • GreenInOC

    I thought it was bad that some states are going to sue to stop this, Utah included.

    However, that piece of drivel left at your doorstop, that is disgusting!

  • UW Girl

    Thrilled that we’ve taken a step toward meaningful health care reform. My concern is this: without LEGAL reform, health care reform is meaningless. There are a million lawyers out there just salivating over this bill. Is this constitutional, what exactly constitutes a pre-existing condition under the bill’s language, etc. Half of congress doesn’t understand this bill…you think thousands of doctors and nurses are going to?! Unfortunately, many people are going to find themselves in a court room instead of an operating room fighting for their needs. This happens far too often in our country already! In other countries, such as Canada and the UK, the legal system has addressed problems such as frivolous medical lawsuits and caps on damages. I’m not saying bad doctors shouldn’t be sued – they absolutely should! But until the government recognizes that the lawyers play a huge part in mess our health care system is (who do you think writes the language that denies coverage?) there are still going to be huge problems.

  • la-la-lisa

    My mom lives in AZ and you should see the right-wing propagandacrap she gets on a DAILY basis. It’s along the same lines. I guess if you’re over 70, you believe it. Damn that Fox news.

    I’m so calling my congress person to tell them their ass is toast if they do not support this.

  • LolaLola

    I am not an American but I sighed a huge sigh of relief when I heard this had passed… the reason being now maybe people who need care but don’t have money can still be treated.
    I live in Canada and while we do have our challenges, I’ve never been denied access to the best healthcare available.
    My daughter sees the Chief of Endocrinology for her regular checkups, we did not pay for her MRI, we have not paid for any consultations to any experts around the world.
    I’ve had two babies (one of which had a difficult birth and in attendance was 3 doctors and 2 specialists) and all I paid for was parking – and when my 4 year old had an operation in November, even that was paid for! For surgery and 3 days in the hospital, I was out of pocket $10 for coffee.
    People need to educate themselves on the difference between socialism and socialized medicine.

    p.s. Something else to think about – re: the huge homeless problem in the US…. most of the people who are living on the street suffer from some sort of mental illness. If they were able to receive treatment, perhaps they could lead somewhat normal lives. Imagine what THAT could do for your society.

  • _Heather_

    Have any of these crackpot nay sayers heard of Medicare? We have a government run insurance already that millions of people rely on and it works fine. If we would stop fighting about this bill and refusing to pass it simply to make the president look like he’s not doing his job or getting anything accomplished then maybe, just maybe we could get a bill that more people would be happy with. If you try to get private insurance right now it will cost you an arm and a leg, if we had a public option it would force insurance companies to lower their fees in order to be more competitive, that’s simple economics. I vote that everyone who has fought this bill should be denied the public option when we get it. I’ll happily pay more taxes for more effective health care and those that have fought so hard to stop this bill can continue to pay their outrageously high premiums and deductibles. Thanks for letting me get that off my chest I was about to explode.

  • Ranger

    I resent that comment a little, LA-LA-Lisa. I will be 71 in July. The ability to think and decide for oneself can age along with the body.

  • MustangSally

    re: tort reform – what NOBODY talks about is WHY people feel the need to sue when a doctor or hospital screws up – because BANG they’ve just got a pre-existing condition (through no fault of their own) that will require medical treatment for the rest of their lives. And before this bill, you were pretty much guaranteed to have any future insurance coverage denied because of that screw-up. So yes – people sue. That was their only option to insure their OWN (& their family’s) future financial well-being.

    Now, if your future coverage (for anything) can no longer be jeapordized you’re going to see a lot less people pursuing the joy of getting a lawyer, paying huge legal fees and going to court. It’s not fun. Few people actually *want* to do it.

    So far the most livid anti’s I’ve come across are either current or retired military/ federal or gov’t employees. Or retired folks now on Medicare who had good private insurance 20-30 years ago when they were raising their families (when it was pretty good). Whose solution apparently is to have everyone join the military or get a gov’t job. I’m not sure whose going to drive the economy if everyone is in the public sector, or how that’s not socialism, however. The irony, it kills me.

  • Nannykeel

    It is amazing to me how hateful the people against this can be.
    I have a couple of reasons to be happy it passed, I no longer have to worry about reaching my lifetime cap, my husband’s employer won’t drop coverage now because of annual premium increases, and if heaven forbid he should lose his job I will be able to get coverage even with my preexisting conditions.
    For all you people who keep saying everyone already have access to care at hospitals do you really think the hospital just lets you walk away without paying? They will hound you forever to collect and it will be for the full amount of the bill which is generally 3 or 4 times what the insurance companies have to pay.
    Finally to the waiting for appt. times, I have insurance and yet I waited over 6 months to get an appt. with a lung doctor that I had already been a patient of when I had open heart surgery and developed pnuemonia afterwards 7 yrs. ago. When I called complaining about shortness of breath I was told it would be 6 months before any thing was open and of course my insurance company Blue Cross Blue Shield has always dictated what treaments and tests I can have, so what’s the difference with the proposed plan?

  • Robin G.

    “Do some people really believe this?!”

    Yes. They do.

    Seriously, spend a little time reading what the GOP and the teabaggers have said over the last week. It’s disgusting.

    I have heard nothing, *nothing* to oppose this bill that isn’t based on lies, whether the person is making up the lie themselves, or merely repeating the lie due to ignorance. The *only* true objection is that it doesn’t go far enough — which it doesn’t, I admit — but sane people seem to understand that now we have our foot in the door, and we can improve from here.

    I know it sounds like I’m painting with a broad brush, but I am absolutely not. There is no principled opposition to this bill. There is only at best uninformed gullibility, and at worst cold-hearted bullshit.

  • Kim Hosey – AZ Writer

    (RE Grammar Snob @ #5)
    “I’m honestly shocked at how much of that crap they actually DO believe.”

    Exactly. I don’t even think people (sane people, anyway) are aware of how much crazy shit people believe, or the crazy extents to which they believe said crazy shit. I recently posted the “Obama Killer Song” from the group’s website on my Facebook profile, commenting on how reprehensible it was. I got more than a few private messages about how I ought not to be posting it; doing so is only spreading that group’s platform. I don’t know; I think it’s so patently ridiculous and so SO reprehensible that showing it to everyone and ridiculing it is the only appropriate response. I guess maybe I also overestimate the general public; I have to believe that a majority of right-thinking or even ten-percent-right-thinking humans can’t possibly believe or buy into this crap.

  • carmenincalgary

    You can’t get healthcare because of hayfever? You’ve got to be kidding me. Holy eff am I glad to be a Canadian… today I saw the doctor (took a week)… got bloodwork done 5 minutes later and have an ultrasound booked for tomorrow.

    If that is “crappy” healthcare, I’ll take it any day.

    Hayfever?

  • Sassafras Mama

    What astounds me is the claim that those who voted for healthcare reform are violating the constitution, acting treasonous, and any other crazy accusation. This is a political debate; there are winners and losers; and the world will continue to spin on its axis.

    And count among those who very, very pleased that this first attempt at real reform has finally passed. We need more; much, much more. But it’s a start.

  • Pamela504

    Just a symptom of the disease that infected some ever since Obama got elected. They call themselves the majority, though clearly they are not. They cannot envision this country without a WASP president, and have become increasingly delusional. Remember what happened the last time a non-WASP president was elected…(Kennedy)? They fairly VIBRATE with rage. I fear their wrath, I really do.

  • Gwenevere

    to Belly Girl

    And the Washington Post is different from a talk show host because?….

    to AshesVonDust

    your name should indicate that you already know the answer to your question but since you asked it may I address it? You said, “I keep seeing Americans posting that they want to say NO to “socialist health care”! They say Socialist like people used to throw around the word Communist.

    This is why (refer to Wikipedia if you have any more questions) Socialism scares the beetlejuice out of people because of history. Before Communist Germany,it was Nazi Germany and Nazi means NATIONAL SOCIALISTS. I’m just saying…

  • gretchie

    A few points to ponder:

    Okay, so it will cost a bunch of $$ in taxes. If everyone has such a problem with that, then how about we rethink…:

    1. Public Schools (private schools only, please)
    2. Firefighters (you have to pay if you call them)
    3. City cops (pay for your own guard service, or diy)
    4. Emergency Room service… (Do you really think the poor pay for that bill anyway?)

    We could save a ton in taxes if we supply these things for ourselves, can’t we?

    While we’re at it, maybe we shouldn’t regulate auto insurance anymore. Why do we have to have that nonsense to get a driver’s license??? I can’t believe my hard-earned tax money goes towards regulating auto insurance!!

    Really everyone… what’s the difference? If someone can explain that to me, I’m all ears.

  • jpatrick

    Go Dooce! As a young mother who suffered from PPD and ongoing Generalized Anxiety Disorder, I slept better last night. It’s hard to believe that anyone in America doesn’t have a pre-existing condition if such things as hay fever are enough to disqualify you. As a liberal in Texas – I hear it all from ultra-religious conservatives about why this bill is wrong and that Obama is the anti-Christ. At the end of the day – I just want to be able to take care of myself and my family. I believe you can support this bill, be a liberal AND love God. Crazy talk, huh?

  • Gwenevere

    gretchie

    There is no difference. But that isn’t the problem. The problem as I understand it is that our nation can’t afford any of it. My school district has to cut 8 million out of their yearly budgets. This means schools are closing. Is that what is best for the kids? No, but there is no money so cuts must be made. The firehouse closest to my house was closed a few months ago because there was no money.

    Why is there no money? Is it the taxpayers fault that they wanted a cap on their property taxes? Is it politicians fault that they overspent,under budgeted and/or misallocated funds?

    Where is the provision that prevents this from happening with our new Health Care? I haven’t read the bill so if you can point me to where it is written [in the bill-not The Post] I would be very grateful.

  • princesspapercut

    Not that people really need to know this now with the health care bill passing, but if you are self-employed and have a minimum of two employees, most states will allow you to apply for a group policy. The snazzy thing about this is that if you have had previous coverage, pre-existing conditions are exempt. Or you simply have to wait for six months Good for hay fever and healed injuries… not so much for depression.

    My husband is self-employed and was diagnosed with advanced glaucoma at the ripe old age of 34. We had sh*tty coverage before and needed to wrangle a group policy in order to cover his surgery. I’m grateful that we were able to wing it. But so many other can’t.

    I can’t imagine having to file medical bankruptcy because I had no other choice but to use my $7500 deductible 50% coverage policy for a hugely expensive and vision saving surgery for the breadwinner in our family.

    I just don’t get why people are against this. Maybe those who are can cover the out of pocket costs for his $80 eye drops and all that the insurance WON’T cover.

  • specialkrispy

    Let me just say that there are conservatives, liberals, in-betweens, and then just the plain ol’ bat shit crazies. They come on both sides, but because you live in Utard, a bsc conservative left that on your door.

    I’m glad to hear that the new health care bill will benefit you and your family. Too bad that because of your income bracket, you will end up paying for someone else’s terrific no pre-existing conditions allowed healthcare as well because they can’t and will be fined if they don’t.

  • GOK8

    Ummm, Heather, did you see the banner ad at the top of your post today? The “Obama Care…Stop Him” with the http://www.newsmax.com url underneath?

    How incredibly…relateable? to your post?

    I think that’s weird. Do you think that’s weird? Weird. Though if you refresh it it sometimes comes up with the a Stand with Harry Reid banner and http://www.harryreid.com/Action as the url.

    Weird.

    Oh, keep rockin’ it.
    Kate

  • amberfusco

    Dude….

    I live in Canada. I have no idea what that kind of stress is like. Health care is something we don’t even think about here. For the most part it is a non-issue. Sure there are debates about wait times in hospitals, private vs public care, etc. etc., but our system works.

    I am a regular, middle class mom and I receive the exact same care as the millionaire down the road. (OK I don’t have a millionaire living down the road but if I did….).

    I can’t imagine the uncertainty with being uninsured and one of the first thoughts going through your mind when a family member gets sick be “Can we afford this?”.

    I hope your health care system continues to evolve, and I am thankful I live in Canada.

  • Nannykeel

    So far today I’ve read on Facebook several of my friends are planning on moving to France before China takes over this country, this in response to HCR passing. What I don’t get is why they pick a country that has universal health care if they are so dead set against it for the USA. I’m just saying….

  • tamevans

    You GO GIRL! I am an independent business owner as well, and have danced the “buy your own health care” waltz for years. I applaud your balls, I am so happy for your family and I will proudly stand beside you as this county takes a small step toward repairing a ginormous problem!
    Oh… and I will take a tic tac, but my prayer will be that your voice will reach out and help people see that this change is for the better!

  • gretchie

    Gwenevere, we don’t have money b/c we spent it all on a war that has no exit strategy. A war we shouldn’t have started to begin with. After we made our point in Afghanistan shortly after 9/11, it was time to stop.

    I’ve been to Iraq, and it is SHOCKING how much American money is poured into that place. Shocking. You can’t wrap your head around the magnitude of it until you see it with your own eyes. And the worst part is that Iraq has the money to pay us back, and continue to fund whatever police actions they want to continue. But we haven’t attempted to collect that debt! What the hell???

    If we stop fighting boogie men, our babies will have better educations, better health care, better opportunities. Seriously, why aren’t all children worthy of one check-up per year and vaccinations that could protect the entire population? At the very least? If we can spend money on marching band (which I would never want to go away), how are inexpensive asthma meds any less important? Have you ever tried playing a clarinet when your bronchials are throwing a fit? All joking aside, how are kids supposed to concentrate on school if they’re too sick to attend?

    One more positive about reform (and no, this bill isn’t perfect): If Americans have to pay for people getting SICK, our politicians and insurance companies will finally shift their focus to PREVENTIVE CARE, which is oodles less expensive than taking care of sick people and far more beneficial for the population as a whole. Let’s be creative: What if we got tax credits for joining a gym? Purchasing organic groceries? We can be cynical and say, “Yeah, right. That will never happen.” But who knows?

    Besides, if it’s that big a disaster, the American public will rise up and vote to repeal it. And it will happen. We repealed prohibition! Yay, America!!

  • goldsmkm

    Thank you Heather. Your family is just one of the many reasons this law (can you believe it?!) makes so much sense.

  • wyntery

    Everytime I hear about the American health system I shudder and thank the almighty for Australia’s universal health care. We may pay more in taxes, but it ensures that everyone can be as healthy as possible. (By the way, Australia spends less of it’s GDP on healthcare than you do in America)

  • Alison

    Some people really believe that, yes. Two status messages I’ve seen on Facebook today:

    “R.I.P. USA. It was a great run – we outlasted every other country in the histroy [sic] of the world! Now we shall just sit and wait to see how rapidly and how severely the decline of this once great nation will be. We should all be prepared for the not so slow erosion of what remains of our freedoms and liberties. We’ve …taken them for granted much too long and now they are but a footnote in history.”

    (That guy also joined the group “I pledge not to vote for any candidates that supported socialized healthcare.”)

    And another FB friend used a dictionary definition of totalitarianism as her status.

    People really believe it, and they are going nuts right now. I kind of feel sorry for them.

    But I’m glad your girls will have health care insurance, and that you will eventually as well. And that I will as well!

    (Oh, priceless. My CAPTCHA is “Washington pinkest.”)

  • Mo

    “The people who aren’t behind it either have great inexpensive insurance, healthy children or have had a lobotomy”

    this pretty much says it for me.

    As someone who has, at various times, been covered by the state, had practically inaccessable job-related insurance, and had no insurance and desperately needed it, I welcome this. My baby-daddy and I even stayed unmarried so that I could have (quite decent) state aid while I was pregnant.

    I actually wish this thing went further, especially toward regulating insurance company practices, but hey. Any step is a good step.

    Also, yeah, I know that there are rational, sane conservatives, but there is a huge contingency of people out there that REALLY BELIEVE THE SHIT ON THIS FLYER. They really, really do.

    *shudder*

  • Mo

    Also, CSPAN has never made my nips tingle as much as it did last night.

    SO EXCITING!!!

  • Laura Jones

    I’m so mad at the complicated process it takes to login…discover it doesn’t like my login or password…navigate away from dooce community….hunt the button that takes me back to front page…frustration!!!!!!!

    All I wanted to say…damn I can’t remember what I wanted to say…something about all the horrible stuff people sent me because they figured since I went to church I was ultra conservative right wing. I’m not.

    Sigh, and now I have to hope and pray that I put those weird words correctly into the square.

  • Laura Jones

    I’m so mad at the complicated process it takes to login…discover it doesn’t like my login or password…navigate away from dooce community….hunt the button that takes me back to front page…frustration!!!!!!!

    All I wanted to say…damn I can’t remember what I wanted to say…something about all the horrible stuff people sent me because they figured since I went to church I was ultra conservative right wing. I’m not.

    Sigh, and now I have to hope and pray that I put those weird words correctly into the square.

  • getupandplay

    Argh. I hate that this is what American politics has devolved into- harsh, hyperbolic rhetoric from both sides. It alienates the majority of us (which I truly believe are pretty moderate and in the middle) from participating in the process. It’s sad and frustrating. I am always glad to hear a human, personal experience- thank you for sharing yours!

  • greeblemonkey

    I saw Jon tweeting last night and hellyeahs.

    P.S. Did you see they video of the signs from the teabag party. You don’t want to.

  • LaylaJack

    Not only was it Iraq, but it was also a trillion dollar tax cut for the wealthiest Americans that got us to where we are today. Remind me again about the job creation that those tax cuts spawned? Oh yeah, that Bush tax cut was by reconciliation.

  • judealoo

    My Congressman (Denny Rehberg – Montana) said the country didn’t need this bill. Everyone should just join a gym and stop smoking. Hello?! He who lives in the world of excellent government-funded insurance?

    Thanks so much for posting this Heather. I work 2 jobs because one pays well but has no benefits; the other pays poorly but has good insurance. I have 2 family members with “pre-existing conditions” and I CANNOT lose the insurance job!

    My husband’s PEC is a alleged heart problem from 22 years ago that has never recurred. My 21-year-old son’s is childhood asthma which he outgrew. Thank heaven my employer lets my kids stay on until age 25 already or he’d be SOL.

  • moppet

    I love everything about you but your politics (other than we do agree on gay marriage), but it’s the same with my best friend, so I deal with it because you are one talented writer and you make me think.

    I understand your position but I think us conservatives get a bad rap, because most of us do believe that something needs to be done. This bill, however, is not it and I don’t feel is even a step in the right direction.

    For you? Sure. For us? My husband and I make around $100K as a family of 4 (soon to be 5). We currently are self-insured with a crazy high deductible, but a reasonable monthly payment. This bill will hit us very hard financially. Based on what I understand we will be able to choose from one of a few plans, with the lowest being somewhere around $12,000/yr. Because we make more than 2x poverty level, we will not be eligible for any subsidies and so will be responsible for the full amount. Of course this is on TOP of higher taxes. Currently, we pay about $4700/year. Is it selfish for me to be bothered by having to pay that much more plus higher taxes? Not any more so than for you to be excited about how it affects your family.

    I do believe there’s has to be a way to fix the preexisting condition problem, especially for newborns born under an existing policy. And I believe there should be a way for cancer or other serious illness survivors and those with previous mental problems (sorry for the generic term) who are proactive enough to try and get coverage to keep it, but I firmly believe that getting the government involved in it is the worst thing. Maybe if we weren’t already trillions of dollars in the hole (and before you call me out for being a Republican who sat by and watched the last 8 years go by without a complaint, you are wrong there. I said I was a conservative).

    Anyway, it’s safe to say this bill will not be repealed so I will have to wait and hope that you were right and I was wrong. Funny, your definition of hope and change vs mine.

    And yes, that flyer is scary.

  • fleuris

    I disagree with most of what was written in that flyer… however I DO agree with this

    “States are already declaring state sovereignty, they WILL NOT ABIDE by this law.”

    Good for them. In a country where democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch, I don’t blame the states that want to secede. Another good reason for this is the fact that the US is so completely divided. 219-212? If I lived in a country that was this divided, I would sure as hell hope for separation instead of the less appealing but more likely option of civil war.

    This being said, I believe in the right to health care, but God ALMIGHTY is this ever the wrong time for the US to jump on this bandwagon.

    I read a kick-ass article by Ron Paul today where he wrote this sentence that is so perfect in its logical simplicity. The quote is even (mostly) apolitical:

    “Legislative hopes and dreams don’t always stand up well against economic realities.”

    The rest of the article is here:
    http://www.ronpaul.com/

    And it’s worth reading no matter what political stance you take.

  • Bratfink

    Oh, Heather, if you want to see some fucked up bullshit read some white supremacist pamphlets sometime. I had occasion to read them when I lived in Montana and I somehow got one in my mailbox.

    It IS scary that people read that crap and believe it. THEY ARE OUT THERE. And they vote!

    I really believe the only people that weren’t for health care were those who already had it and didn’t have to worry about it. [I may be wrong, but if I am, WHY?]

    Now we get to sit back and watch all the shit hit the fan because it was passed. As I write this CNN is saying that 10 states are starting a federal lawsuit. I could understand this if the states already covered all their citizens with some kind of health coverage; I don’t understand it when they do not.

    The whole fucking world has gone nuts, I swear to God.

    I’m breaking out the vodka and celebrating anyway, and SKOL! to you and to the better changes in your family’s coverage.

  • 8junebugs

    Bravo. This affects real people with real needs. Thanks to surging anti-intellectualism, though, we’ve got half a nation that’s totally okay with protesting something they’ll never bother to read, much less understand and apply.

    I got pissed off and wrote about why I support universal healthcare (yeah, universal…really) last summer. To wit, my dying mom would’ve been a lot worse off if she didn’t live in Vermont, where health insurance is a basic human right, especially if you’re poor.

    The rest of it’s here: http://www.8junebugs.com/2009/08/19/socializedhealthcare/

  • Bratfink

    Oh, Heather, if you want to see some fucked up bullshit read some white supremacist pamphlets sometime. I had occasion to read them when I lived in Montana and I somehow got one in my mailbox.

    It IS scary that people read that crap and believe it. THEY ARE OUT THERE. And they vote!

    I really believe the only people that weren’t for health care were those who already had it and didn’t have to worry about it. [I may be wrong, but if I am, WHY?]

    Now we get to sit back and watch all the shit hit the fan because it was passed. As I write this CNN is saying that 10 states are starting a federal lawsuit. I could understand this if the states already covered all their citizens with some kind of health coverage; I don’t understand it when they do not.

    The whole fucking world has gone nuts, I swear to God.

    I’m breaking out the vodka and celebrating anyway, and SKOL! to you and to the better changes in your family’s coverage.

  • Edwin Allen

    The first attempt at universal health care was the Truman administration, and it was scuttled by southern democrats because of the fear that it would mean integrating hospitals. So, the earliest death of universal health care was the result of a desire by the South to maintain Jim Crow.

    Nullification hasn’t been an issue since the administration of Andrew Jackson in the 1830′s, over tariffs that were said to be a prelude to the fight over the end of slavery.

    I think it’s interesting that we seem to be circling back there, with Georgia and a few other states having already passed nullifying laws essentially.

    We’ll see how this all plays out. The world historical dialectic continues to move forward.

  • Mrs. Q.

    Midnight’s feelings echo my own. My husband and his partner own a small, successful company in Rhode Island. Their health insurance rates increase roughly 20% each year. It’s shocking. While the government is hoping to stimulate new jobs to boost the economy, how on earth can small businesses afford to add personnel?

    I don’t think this bill is perfect, but I hope that it is a solid step forward in protecting independent workers, small businesses and middle-class families.

  • Stepmum of the Year

    Is it any wonder that some of us living in other countries goggle at US political dialogue?

    For the record, in Australia we have a much more socialised healthcare system than your new bill even looks sideways at, and have for around forty years.

    One world government has not eventuated. The Communists haven’t taken over. Martial law hasn’t been declared – that I’ve noticed. Event he right-wing fringe hasn’t felt the need to take up arms.

    Nobody is EVER denied healthcare here. Our system isn’t perfect, but at least I can be sure that I won’t have to declare bankruptcy if I have a bad limb break.

    It’s just a shame that the authors of the kind of paranoid psycho BS in that flyer won’t get free (compulsory) psychological help via the new health system… The thought of people like that being free to own guns would leave me unable to sleep at night if I lived in the US.

    Oh, and Heather? I LIKE it when you talk politics!

  • Petite Chenille

    Thanks for this. I hear so many negative comments about this bill, and it’s hard to stay upbeat in that environment. You’ve made my day!

  • Gwenevere

    Gretchie,

    I knew if I kept asking questions someone would eventually answer. SO the war huh? I have no reason to disbelieve what you have said and I’d also like to thank you for masking any of your impatience with imps like me in civility and intelligent candor. It’s refreshing.

    I have another question for ya. Do you really have faith enough in our government that they can manage this new system or any system for that matter? Because if you do, I would love it if you could share your perspective, so that I could put my trust in men too. I’m currently all out at the moment.

    fleuris
    “If I lived in a country that was this divided, I would sure as hell hope for separation instead of the less appealing but more likely option of civil war.”

    I don’t like it when people leave a party just because they don’t like the food or some of the guests, can’t we tolerate one another long enough to work through this?

  • kschendel

    Do people really believe this?

    I’m not sure. My experience is yes, sort of.

    The insurance companies have radicalized me. In my 20′s and early 30′s even, I was sure that national health insurance was The Devil. And then I paid $4000 (in 1983 dollars) because my older daughter was “a pre-existing condition”. My wife fought with the local BC/BS for months to erase a couple hundred dollars of improper doctor’s office co-pay, and near the end of that saga they paid an unquestioned $1352 to a doctor that *never saw my kid* in the hospital. When we pointed that out, the Highmark (local blue cross) people said “oh”. Even when I worked for a certain evil empire with the Very Best Benefits In The Corporate World, we ended up paying $5000 for multi-focal lenses for my wife … after the insurers said they would pay. Oops, sorry, we meant would not pay. We lied, you lose.

    After hearing decades of scare stories about Canadian health insurance (or purported lack thereof), my daughter has moved to Ontario. And she has had various weird health problems taken care of, efficiently, quickly, and relatively cheaply.

    “The US has the best health care in the world?” Baloney. We have maybe the best medical technology. That’s not the same as heath care.

    “it’s not broken, don’t mess with it?” Baloney. Heath “care” in the US is, or maybe was, terminal. This bill is a start towards fixing it. A raggedy, half-assed, two bit start, but a start.

    Signed, a former Republican who doesn’t know what that word means any more.

  • Recovering Cynic

    It disappoints me that so much of the last year’s political discourse ended up being language like that represented in that flyer. I’ve been disappointed, in fact, from the day the new Congress took office and locked the Republicans out of every bill-writing session they had. There are serious concerns with the bill as it ended up passing, but nobody ended up listening to them since the loudest people were shouting s*** like what’s in this flyer, which is clearly just intended to scare people. Invoking the civil war? huh?

    That being said, I’m thrilled that the first steps have finally been taken to reform health insurance. I never understood how free-market reforms would solve our insurance problems if the insurers can still just refuse any high-risk patients. Since when is any business risk-free? And how else are individuals supposed to fight back against massive insurance corporations who are abusing them except to elect a government that will do so on their behalf?

    I’m also excited to see Pr. Obama move on to other issues, so he doesn’t have to spend another year of his first term wrestling with the same legislation.

    My hope, though, is that when Republicans come back to power, that instead of trying to repeal what was done here they will act proactively, making the cost-saving steps that they believe are necessary. But I’m afraid that they don’t actually care about healthcare reform, and won’t ever address it except to try to undo the things they don’t like in what just passed.